Ori and the Blind Forest Developer Describes Scorpio as 'next-gen' Machine

Thomas Mahler, Game Director, explains how the x86 architecture of current consoles enable future-proof games and describes the Scorpio as a 'next-gen' machine that 'isn't just a half-assed upgrade.'

[Nyxus]

A 'full blown next generation' console? I'm confused, I thought this wasn't the successor to the Xbox One?

[lxtrxi]

I thought the same but this developer is basically saying it's a 9th generation console then.

[Overload]

Project Scorpio isn't even out and it's already inherited the Xbox way, unclear mixed messaging. All in 1 day.

Edit:

IGN just posted this story.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

[gangsta_red]

@Overload

"Project Scorpio isn't even out and it's already inherited the Xbox way, unclear mixed messaging. All in 1 day."

Maybe because like you said...it isn't even out yet. Just a lot of speculation, rumors and of course "doom" articles and "gloom" comments on forums posted everyday.

[Overload]

@Red

The Xbox One wasn't out yet either when Adam Orth made the confusion start.

The guy just said it's a full blown next gen console. This isn't going to end well.

[darthv72]

the specs of it essentially makes it a 9th gen console. It may be held back by MS on purpose to avoid splitting the user base... for now at least.

No doubt that if the Pro was given the chance to flex its muscle we would see things not possible on a stock PS4 but sony's parity clause prohibits that from happening so all we get are higher res games and an increase in fps. Nothing more nothing less.

MS might actually go back on their parity clause knowing well that their user base being significantly smaller means less people to piss off by jumping right into dedicated 9th gen scorpio software. I expect them to do that which could force sony's hand in doing the same.

I mean lets face it, the 8th gen hasnt really lived up to the generations past. The whole idea of a mid gen refresh is basically these companies trying to take a mulligan and start over. I say lets stop kidding ourselves with the 8th gen. I fully ready for the 9th to begin and nintendo is kicking things off in March so you know Ms and Sony will have to follow suit.

[gangsta_red]

@Overload

"The guy just said it's a full blown next gen console. This isn't going to end well."

How? A console that will play all 360 and X1 games plus future X1 games too?

If anything this should clear up the earlier rumors of the leaked spec doc that said the new Scorpio wasn't as powerful or different from the PS4Pro.

But instead we should be worried?

[ziggurcat]

@darth:

What parity clause? Can you provide a link to such a thing?

[kneon]

@gangsta_red

Well some people will be upset if they are jumping to a new gen already, that's why Microsoft have been saying it's not a new gen.

But what defines a new gen anyway? The PS4 Pro is over twice as powerful than the PS4, and 3 times the Xb1. The rumored specs of the Scorpio put it around 3-3.5 times as powerful as the PS4, but only about 50% more than the PS4 Pro.

If the Scorpio is just faster with no new features then they can reasonably claim it's not a new gen.

[Overload]

@Red

"But instead we should be worried?"

Yes, pretty much nothing they have tried has worked out well this generation.

Digital Foundry suggests it's not as much as an upgrade as people expected and the other says it's a next gen console. Neither off those sound like a good end to this story.

If you think sneakily trying to introduce the Xbox 2 is going to go over well, you're mistaken, regardless of if it plays 360 games.

[Lonnie18]

Sony more than likely will wait till 2019-2020 before they make their next move which I believe is a good thing.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Seems like we are gonna have to wait till E3 to see what's up.

If it's a full next gen console are people gonna be upset that MS started a new gen early?

It would also mean that MS lied about forward compatibility if what this developer said is true.

[Omnislashver36]

For MS sake it better not be a 9th gen console otherwise PS5 will trample over it. As an 8th gen console I wonder what their messaging will be though. "Use this console for two years before X2/PS5?"

PS4 Pro was smart for releasing last year in my opinion.

[OB1Biker]

I think many parts of Scorpio are new gen. Even parts of PS4 Pro are new gen. But a new gen console is not just about the hardware. There's the software and more importantly the intent to be a new generation. And Ms clearly said many time they don't want new generations anymore.
Moreover the timing is not right for the start of a new gen with MEA, RDR2, SWBF2 and the many SW games incoming etc etc all new games are full into this generation. You don't start a new gen just with hardware
My 2 cents

[bouzebbal]

I sense another debacle.. This is how they thank their loyal X1 for buying and supporting their broken console, by ceasing all support for the past many months

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I'm sure to an indie developer its gonna seem next gen with extra resources. The developer is just giving his thoughts (just like every other developer does) don't take it as gospel.

[Notellin]

In terms of power yes, but if it doesn't have exclusive games which it isn't supposed to most developers won't use the power efficiently.

"Scorpio isn't just a half-assed upgrade (which the PS4 Pro kinda is...), but a full blown next-gen machine that's just backwards-compatible to your current library."

Also this is his quote so the whole thing is taken out of context to rile every one up.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

You guys are taking this way too literally. They're just saying it's so spec'd up it's like it may as well be a next gen console. It is still an Xbox one and it will play Xbox One games. It will be able to play them with enhanced graphics just like the PS4 pro (but even more so) but what's different than the pro is they upgraded pretty much everything, not just the gpu like in the case of the pro. MS themselves have been very clear that Scorpio is an upgraded xb1.

@overload: you're trying entirely too hard to hate. Nobody knew what the switch or the Wii U or the PS4 pro were entirely until they were released. Remember how many stupid articles there were saying the PS4 pro was confusing? Turns out people just aren't bright. you taking a 2nd party developers comments in an article and turning it to a mixed message from MS/Xbox is just bs. Sorry. I have straw man argument fatigue.

[xDealtwithIt]

Funny, the known suspects of n4g are *worried* about Scorpio being a next gen system.

I guess if I was concern trolling I would take the statment as literal and start to spread all my false concerns too.

[TheCommentator]

Read between the lines.

He's saying that Sony didn't make the Pro contemporary to the current technology available while MS, according to him, has. Makes sense though. The reason is that Sony used old tech when they built PS4 and modified it with a small budget just to go fast with old engines.

MS OTOH, custom built almost everything on the XB1 so it could be full DX12 compatible (which was an anchor for the system to run properly), and Vega is the first Full DX12 card since the XB1 launched. The white paper article from the other day even mentions the tile-based rasterizer (only in AMD's XB1 and Vega GPUs) as being one of the main reasons Nvidia outperforms AMD all the time (Nvidia's had them for years). It's because MS built a new generation of machine architecture with the XB1 that they are going to be able to use the newest tech available for Scorpio while still maintaining SW compatibility.

Again, he is saying Scorpio is way more powerful than the Pro. It doesn't matter what you call it though, mid gen or next gen, because it will be the same product either way. MS said at the beginning that it's a marathon and not a sprint. Sony sprinted with both PS4 and Pro's development and it's paid off early, but even Sony admitted the PS4 is nearly tapped out. MS didn't sprint and look at how much more the XB1 does now than when it launched... "impossible" things like BC... and it's still improving every day.

[jlove4life]

Hey switch is next gen machine just talk till we actually see it in action

[Overload]

This feels like an Adam Orth moment with him letting his emotions do the talking.

[Chris12]

This sounds like another Overload moment, trying to cause confusion. MS made it VERY clear what the console is and what it does. It is no different to the PS4 Pro, except it offers more power, more compatibility and more facilities, such as a 4K player.

A dev said it's next gen, which could easily relate to the hardware, but you love trolling every Xbox article so it's no surprise you're here causing trouble. Interesting you said virtually nothing when Sony closed a whole studio.

[SgtSlaughter212]

Do you actually play any games or do you spend 100% of your time on N4G being a troll?

I'm not even an XBOX guy and I find you nothing short of insufferable.

[Overload]

@above

If you have a question or a comment regarding my comment feel free to post that. Insulting people is not a good approach.

[SgtSlaughter212]

LOL. Seriously, you are what is wrong with gaming. You are so creepy.

[UCForce]

Ok, hold on a second..... what ?

Edit : I thought MS said Scorpio is mid gen.

[StrangerX]

A while ago Phil said that they didnt want to make a half ass gen system and their next console was gonna have a big upgrade and very powerful, so its a mid gen because its tied in parity with what the Xbox one gets but powerful enough specs to be considered a new generation. If let to be developed only, it could show a leap in gen. Thats all! Just be happy that this makes it a little more future proof!

[MecheSlays]

Hardware wise it's like a next gen console but it's gonna run the same exact os as the Xbox one and support all the same accessories

[Youngindy21]

Perhaps Microsoft feels as if Scorpio is what the Xbox One should have been and in that sense they don't consider it another generation.

[RosweeSon]

I'm confussed I thought games consoles needed games.
They seem to, Heard of any?

[starchild]

I'm confused...did developers cease making games for it?

[Sparta07]

I believe it is a next gen console.
Microsoft messed up big time with Xboxone. You'll see they will abandon the Xboxone like they did with the regular Xbox and the last few years of the 360.
The problem is they don't have GAMES!!!

[Gwynbleidd]

He explains why: X86 architecture.
Basically MS can get a full blown next gen console out there without leaving the Xbox One crowd behind because all games are forward-/backward- compatible. You only choose which graphics quality setup you want to game with and what budget you would like to invest.

[Overload]

Reading over this, it's actually pretty funny people's reasoning for it not being the Xbox 2 is Backwards Compatibility.

It is amazing what marketing can accomplish.

[Condemnedman]

what is clear is it will be the most powerful console when it releases . I don't care if it's classed as next gen as long it still runs my current games.

why does it bother you anyway? what difference does it make?

[Bigpappy]

I agree it is a next level system. Just that they are not moving on in the traditional sense. Phil was trying to explain this before re revealed Scorpio. When a company moved to the next gen in the pass, the focus for the new system was separate from that of the old. That means that it would be designed so differently, that the games made for it would mostly not be made for the older version. M$ has decided to this time build a much more powerful system and keep same OS that would allow developers to just downgrade games to work on the older system (just like PC).
So X1 will get the same games until it become less feasible to downgrade games and that's when most have moved on to Scorpio

[Ashlen]

It's Microsoft if you say "i want a next gen console" they will tell you we're making a next gen console. If you say "I want it to be an upgraded Xbox" they will tell you it's an upgraded Xbox. They just say what people want to hear whether it's the truth doesn't matter. As long as they can trick people into buying it they will say what ever people want to hear.

[kingdom18]

He means it, I'm guessing, in the sense that the power jump is Next Gen. So while MS says they won't treat it as a Next Gen system, it will be one in the sense that it is powerful enough to be so.

[JasonKCK]

This guy is a developer, not Phil Spencer or a spokesperson for MS.

[Mithan]

Yes, so? You guys need to stop thinking in generations in terms of "I need all new games" and think more aline generations of iPad's, iPhones, Samsungs, etc, where the software is backwards compatible.

[JasonKCK]

this

[Burrito26a]

Could that be because MS is trying to start a new generation? Most likely.

[Lennoxb63]

How is MS going to start a new generation every 3-4 years.

@Gamist2dot
The 360 wasn't backward compatible with the original Xbox. Plus, the 360 was about 8 times more powerful.

[Burrito26a]

By going the Nintendo route and releasing a significantly different console whenever you please.

[Gamist2dot0]

The Xbox 360 launched 4 years after Xbox. :/

[TheVigilanteCode]

The 360 WAS (and it still IS) backwards compatible with the original Xbox.

If Microsoft has done anything pro consumer in the game console space, it's backwards compatibility with all of their consoles going forward.

You should get your facts straight before posting them on the internet.

[ILostMyMind]

@Gamist2dot0
And microsoft immediately abandons its previous platforms .. ever.

[GamingIVfun]

Xbox 360 had BC in the beginning but abandoned BC halfway through the console lifespan with about a third of Xbox games actually working well on Xbox 360. You can't play the first Xbox 's games on Xbox One.

I don't think the Xbox Scorpio is going to be next gen at all, it going to take every bit of extra horsepower the Xbox Scorpio has to produce 4k graphics natively and I doubt they will be able to do that with all current games as is. I think there will be little difference in how games look between the PS4 Pro and the Xbox Scorpio, the only real difference is PS4 doing 4k with a combination of extra graphics power and proprietary software tricks and Xbox One doing 4k with brute force system power (problem being it takes lot of power to do true 4k) either way, if you can't tell a real difference, which most will not, what difference does it really make.

We will see soon enough, if games don't look measurably better on Xbox One Scorpio over PS4 Pro than I doubt it going to make much difference. Games look really great and are running pretty well on PS4 pro and there are a lot of really good looking and interesting exclusives coming to PS4 in general.

Plus there are some pretty unique development tools coming to PS4 development software that may eliminate any advantage Scorpio could have.

[BurnedCorn]

@lennoxb63 You are not correct kid. The xbox 360 can play OG games and has a library of xbox original games that can be played. Some of the OG you can play on your xbox 360 are Crimsom Skies and Panzer Dragoon Orta.

[brich233]

360 has 279 games backwards compatible with original Xbox.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

There are a select few backward compact Xbox games on 360

[Rimeskeem]

They want the market back.

[denawayne]

As I've stated before in other threads:

Scorpio is just the first in a trend of new console cycles. Each new console will play all previous consoles titles (from Xbox 360 on) as well as exclusives for the new console. This way, a new console can be released about every 5 years with the previous console before it supported for about 2 years. So, lets say in 20 years I can still play every Xbox title ever made (except OG Xbox titles) on whatever console is current. This is what the whole "Nobody left behind" comment means.

AGAIN - THERE WILL BE EXCLUSIVES FOR SCORPIO. MARK MY WORDS AND THIS PAGE

Scorpio will be $499

[Allsystemgamer]

That is probably one of the worst business plans I've ever read.

That's how you go bankrupt.

[InTheZoneAC]

the whole idea of scorpio was to never have scorpio exclusives, but enhanced versions.

I've always felt M$ would be the first to do this though if they chose to offer scorpio only games for a midgen upgrade..

[PlayableGamez-]

Not necessarily a bad thing as long as MS is sticking with the universal model and won't drop support of the OG Xbox One and Slim.

[ziggurcat]

Pretty sure MS will provide support for all of the current models long after the Scorpio hits the market. Like
Last gen, it's probably a ten year development cycle - which means 2023 will see the last bits of support for Xbox One/S. and by that time, the next console iteration will likely be either announced or on the market.

[RosweeSon]

On their own there I'm happy with this gen so much so my PS4 is rammed and I'm grabbing a switch. Next Gen is next decade 2020/2021 more likely. PS4 just getting going and switch just arriving on a 4-6 year cycle max before they wanna go next gen. waaaay off yet, Game On.

[Yohshida]

Nintendo will do that in March

[ger2396]

That would be unwise on their part. But not surprising, alienating their base has been their mantra this gen.

[christocolus]

So I guess we will be seeing Moon Studios next project pretty soon. Also MS needs to announce a date for the reveal of this console asap.

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

Truer words never spoken! Although it's a more crass wording than Phil Spencer used when he said no "half measures". The wait for Scorpio was for the power.

[DigitalRaptor]

Well, color me surprised. The biggest Xbox fanboy alive believes the words of an Xbox exclusive developer (that completely contradicts what Phil & co have been presenting Scorpio as, as well as what recent leaks serve to address). I thought you guys were through with being so embarrassingly gullible after all the lies and disappointment of this console and brand.

Half expecting you to say something like "oh yeah, Phil is downplaying for maximised impact" etc. etc.

[Muzikguy]

Ok. Nothing like lies and mixed messages going out. It's all right. Whether it's a half-assed upgrade or not, it's obviously running down the same path its predecessor has. Can nobody be straightforward anymore? Even Nintendo is doing this crap

[deadfrag]

Sorry but theres really dumb people,its obvious that Scorpio its a new generation console,since the beginning i was expecting this,we all know the way Microsoft works its simple...the Xbox One and S are weak hardware by normal standards...do you people really expect Microsoft to invest in a new system that is leaps in power above the Xbox One and not end up using the new system to begin a new generation ... Microsoft will support Xbox One for another year and then we will start seeing games exclusives to the Scorpio that will not be supported on Xbox One due to the weak hardware of the same,its just the way things are ...its Microsoft we talking about. For people that brought the Xbox One S expecting it to be supported for another four to five year down the road,dont blame Microsoft if that does not happen because Microsoft told people that Scorpio was coming in a year time after the announce of the Xbox One S.

[moegooner88]

If so then Microsoft fans are the biggest suckers on the planet. Getting screwed right and left.

[Vasto]

Always good to hear from a actual developer!

[Guyfamily999]

In the end, the PS4 Pro will run most games around 1600 to 1800p, obviously it varies by title. Different titles use different upscaling tech as well. Those same games might run at native 2160p on the Scorpio, maybe with some slight graphical changes too. We'll probably see some more games with 60fps support on the Scorpio as well, but I don't think all that many. And then it'll almost assuredly have a 4K Blu ray player.

It'll be up to the consumer (/4K TV owner haha) whether those differences will be worth the price difference of 50-150 bucks come the holidays (I personally expect that it'll launch at 399, Microsoft has learned from the Xbox One, and that the Pro will drop 50 bucks around then).

For me (personal opinion inbound) Microsoft will have to market hard, becuase the higher resolutions get the harder it is to tell the damn difference (for example, I see the difference from 720p to 1080p MUCH more noticeable than 1440p to 2160p, even though numerically they're identical changes proportionally). The difference in graphical quality to an actual person will probably be quite a bit less than the difference between the Xbox One and PS4. I'd personally choose the Pro for the much more impressive exclusives line-up, but again, an opinion. I personally don't have an interest in 4K Blu ray movies, and I can't discern resolution differences as well as some can. Probably just need to be closer to my TV.

[Yohshida]

Trust me, it wont just be Resolution. They already stated that the difference is visible. With the pro you need a fact sheet to even know if anything has changed

[MasterCornholio]

Changes in resolution are visible to many people.

Plus it's also Microsoft making that comment. They could be making a reference to a small difference or a large one. The degree of visibility doesn't always have to be the same.

We will see once the system is out if it's massively better than the PS4Pro or just slightly better.

[DigitalRaptor]

No. you don't.

I come back here, only to find more misinforming comments from the Xbox faithful. smh.

[Tetsujin]

After reading the post, I'm going to start a new trend in 2017. Any developer who bashes any console manufacturer for any reason (excluding something serious) will be boycotted. I get so tired of developers always trash talking other console manufacturers just to get that added bonus, to release games on the competitors console later. Just say "there's certain aspects the Scorpio has the Pro doesn't" and be done with it. Calling the PS4 Pro a half assed upgrade just proves you were either paid to say it, or biased.

I don't see Kojima trash talking Xbox, he just says he prefers Sony for certain things; that's respectable.

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't worry about it. Most high profile devs dont' go out of their way to bash a console maker. Sad truth is, is that one day, those fan boys you piss off now, may be the one's that help sell your game in the future. On top of that, if you go to far, getting support from the console maker themselves for marketing becomes much harder.

I doubt this particular dev will face much issue from this one quote, but realistically, this is like a gamingbolt quote. Why does his opinion matter that much anyways? If he were developing a game, he's going to go where the money is, and I'm sure he'd not care so much about the console power considering the scope of his games.

[Yohshida]

He is just speaking his mind. Let him have his opinion. As for not buying his games, that is up to you. Vote with your wallet if you disagree with some desicions devs make.

[Wallstreet37]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

Hmmmmm really? You dont say lol

[TheColbertinator]

Once again Microsoft and Nintendo will lead the charge of next generation of consoles.

Sony is too stubborn to release proper hardware since the PS2 days.

[UCForce]

Really ?

[Steveoreno1]

Crack kills

[King_Lothric]

Meanwhile in the real world...

The Playstation is the #1 console in the market with almost no competition at all.

[starchild]

Almost no competition you say? Didn't you listen to the guy above you?

[DashArrivals]

LOL, nice joke you made there. :-D

[rainslacker]

lol...is this one of those moments where you just say stuff to antagonize the fan boys?

Yes people, he admitted to me long ago he is just bored and says this stuff due to boredom, not because he is actually this ignorant.

[Gazondaily]

Why expose him like that when he told you that in confidence? Remind me to never tell you any secrets!

[Skillz1215]

are you one of those people that said you new the blood code for the original mortal kombat for snes? or played resident evil 1 in the arcades in 1997? or played turok 4 when turok 2 just released?

[MasterCornholio]

Over 55 million believe the PS4 is proper hardware. Then you look at the software sales and tons of different games thrive on the platform.

Trust me, there are plenty of people who are happy with their PS4s and they won't be moving to a different ecosystem anytime soon.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Come on man if you're going to troll at least put a little effort into it

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

So many people still haven't seen through the fact that the PS4 Pro (and very like the XB1 Scorpio), aren't as powerful as they appear to be. These console have much more GPU than their vanilla counterparts, but the CPU is very much unchanged (ignoring clock speeds). The Scorpio very likely uses a 8 core jaguar CPU, that is upclocked to 2-2.5 ghz, instead of the 1.75 ghz of the original XB1.

The XB1 Scorpio is very much just a mid-gen upgrade. The 360 was over 5 times as powerful as the OG Xbox, vastly superior to its older sibling interms of GPU, ram, and CPU. The Scorpio has better ram and GPU than the base XB1, but the overall power very likely isn't the touted 4 times power increase, just like the PS4 pro isn't really twice as power as the vanilla PS4. Then you have to factor in diminishing returns, which affects hardware and real-world performance more and more as processing power increases.

[rainslacker]

I think people realize this as the PS4P. Most seem to understand what it is, because Sony was pretty clear on what it was capable of. Of course there is some marketing spin in there, but for the most part, Sony hasn't gone to great lengths to oversell the console, and like most of this gen, are letting the games sell the system....or in this case, by showing the differences to the games.

I really haven't seen anyone say that the PS4P is supposed to be a next gen console, or that it's a beast. Just that it can do more than the PS4, and come to understand what they're getting with the kind of 4K they are offering.

MS may get there too once they start showing more.....assuming they staple Greenburgs mouth shut.....and Spencer reigns in his marketing hyperbole to explain what exactly it has to offer without building it up more than it can actually deliver.

[Tussin187]

And then I see games like Horizon ( that comes out next month) and God of War. Not bad for for weak consoles. I could go on but what's the point. Thanks for your wisdom.

[gamer7804]

It is next gen but compatible with older games and it's games scale down for x1

[The_KELRaTH]

So both MS and Sony create a console based around PC architecture so logically EVERY upgrade can be called "Next generation" in exactly the same way a PC gamer might upgrade the graphics card and CPU of his PC. The result for PC has been backwards compatibility and now consoles will also follow that same path. Gone are the days when the next console was totally incompatible with it's previous version due to totally different architecture.

When you buy your new Android / IOS phone; is it an upgrade or a new generation or effectively both.

[XXanderXX]

So safe to assume a sequel to Ori will be coming to Scorpio.

[DashArrivals]

I played the first on PC. 2nd will come to PC. In fact all games coming to Xbox One and Scorpio will also be coming to PC.

[XXanderXX]

That's good and fine .

[ILostMyMind]

Everyone knows that Scorpio is a next-generation console that came to replace XBO.

Based on what Microsoft promised, of course.

[King_Lothric]

Not sure about that. The Xbox community was claiming it was not a next gen console but just an upgrade.

[Lonnie18]

It's not supposed to be a next generation console lol.

[leahcim]

the only thing that I want to hear from him : ..." we are ready to show the first trailer and gameplay of ORI 2 ",.... such a masterpiece.

[Profchaos]

It's to early for next gen widescale adoption won't take off as everyone just purchased this gen consoles only hardcore fans will upgrade. not having the more powerful console on the market is really getting to Ms head

[Amongunz]

Listen.... things change.. people want access to high end console specs AND access to their current gen and past gen games. Its a new approach.. remove fanboys and this is obviously a new approach and xbox must respond to the PS4 pro... anything other than PlayStation's approach at the exact same time results in all anti xbox people to flip out... on this site im particular. I personally love the move and want to see what kind of games this machine can deliver..

[WelkinCole]

Duh!!. You don't announce a mid gen upgrade 18 months out from its release.

After everything MS threw at Sony they realise that their only option was a reboot. However they knew it would piss off fans further if they pulled a x360. They lied to gamers that it was just an upgrade to make them feel better and xbox gamers took it and going so far as defending it.

[Amongunz]

Huh? Its not a lie when you say we'll let developers choose.. its saying lets let the marketplace decide what people want and will buy but your existing catelog will be fully integrated.

[Kingoftherodeo]

we dont have the console to try for our self but going from a console that has 1.8 tf to one that has been rumored to have 6 where they aim is to have native 4k games. i can see why he would say this a new generation if its truly doing all the things its suppose to do if so xbox will probably get the 3rd party support again having the stronger console

[Dark_Knightmare2]

But the the digital foundry article yesterday stated that it most likely isn't going to be the 4K machine Microsoft promised. If you think those 6 tflops are going to be enough to have games like rdr 2,mass effect andromeda etc run in native 4K you're going to be sorely disappointed

[Petebloodyonion]

Simple to understand Sony and MS want's a piece of the pie from the smartphone model.
A better console every 3 years that keep playing past game and the one from the upcoming iteration.
Rinse and repeat.

[Amongunz]

Agreed and its expected at this point... so its almost a natural delivery model to adopt. This is the new norm. Backwards compatibility

[DashArrivals]

I really think people should stop speculating and just wait until E3

[danny818]

i this. MS might want to catch Sony and beat them to Gen 9

[Meltic]

hahaha

[BizarroUltraman]

Im still getting a Scorpio but MS needs to take control of these rumors before they get out of hand, And ruin whatever lil bit of fairy dust they have up that ass.

[Hotabang]

Was this the same guy that whined about switch when he didnt get the devkit? (curious)

[riibhu]

If this is true. Then I think console players should start preparing for another "upgrade" every 3-4 years in the future.Next will be Sony to outperform scoprio then microsoft will release another scorpiobox one to counter that and so on.

[3-4-5]

* It's a next gen console, but it has a XB1 inside it.

It's like how the Wii U had a Wii inside it...in that it could play all Wii U games and booted up like a Wii in wii mode.

It will be like that...but for the next Xbox.

[greywolf39]

Because it will be next gen machine. Ms is again lying to us. Remember the xbox to xbox 360? Same thing happend. And in 2018 we will prob. get Ps5

[milliniumstylz]

This is what the developer is saying if this is as a "stop gap" I can definitely see Microsoft releasing another console around the same time as the PS5...

[Silly gameAr]

MS really needs to get a handle on their employees. Their comments are almost as ignorant as a hardcore fanboy's would be.

[mark_parch]

can't wait to see what moon studios are making next. ori and the blind forest is my favourite game so far this gen

[MagicBeanz]

"Scorpio isn't just a half-assed upgrade (which the PS4 Pro kinda is."

Seems hurtful but I'm not surprised and probably not allowed to say anything about it anyway so carry on I guess.

[ShadowWolf712]

Not with what DF just found.

[discobastard]

Regardless of all the fuss and bickering I'm looking forward to seeing what's on offer. It's such an exciting time when new consoles are revealed. It's just a shame if this is followed by disappointment. Fingers crossed for them. This may fill the Xbox hole in my setup as there's still no way I can justify buying the current one. Please don't screw it up MS! I've money to throw at a well considered product

[corroios]

Of course it is the next gen machine. Everything is brand new tech, except the GDDR5 ram. Microsoft can tell whatever they want, but gamers should know better.

[SaveFerris]

If the Scorpio is a mid-gen refresh like the PS4 Pro, then does that mean it won't get any 'Scorpio exclusive' titles, apart from possible VR features or games?

[SegaGamer]

Yes, Phil Spencer confirmed this in an interview during last years E3. He said that every game will work with the Original Xbox One, the Xbox One S and the Scorpio.

[SaveFerris]

Okay. But won't developers need to spend time optimising the game for Xbox One and Scorpio. It sounds like a lot of extra work.

[SegaGamer]

I'm not too sure personally. I don't know much about developing games. I'm sure i remember a developer not so long ago saying it's not actually that hard to do though.

[andrewsquall]

Because going into 2018, GDDR5 is next gen now lol. But it wasn't at the PS4 reveal in February 2013.

[feraldrgn]

Remember this?:

http://n4g.com/news/1809816...

This is the next Xbox, MS are trying to get a headstart on the competition by saying it's not next gen, but it wouldn't surprise me if very close to release they use the next gen word.

[Npugz7]

With how much more power the Scorpio will have over the other consoles it's going to be considered a next gen console!

[ChronoJoe]

But it's not, because it's specifically designed to run current gen games.

[Articuno76]

He's basically just saying in emphatical terms that it's super-duper powerful. There's no real news story here...

[noksucow73]

I'm hoping that it does have some exclusive titles that truly take advantage of the hardware. I have a xbox 1 S, and I'd like for the Scorpio to play most games on all xbox ones, but I'd still like for them to develop some titles , built from the ground up, to truly take advantage of the hardware. I Think that is how They will sell the most units

[battlegrog]

I think you people need to understand that xbox will never need to release a different new console again. Its going to be just like games on windows.When finally they will keep one OS and they can change the look or change whatever and just keep releasing better hardware. This bullshit where you have a console for 5 years and the games dont work on the next one is insane. Ive been playing the same games on pc on like 5 new windows OS systems updated ontop of each other.This is the xbox plan. In fact i heard sony is planning something similar. They finally have a very good OS and its based off Linux so they should for sure do the same thing.Its good for business to continue having your games. Honestly this update in specs is really not even that much different of a job from ps3/360 to ps4/xboxone. It was a small jump yet it was so called next gen consoles. The console market will be different.

[TechnoGoat]

Too bad it's coming out that Scorpio is just PS4 pro all over again, with more TFLOPS

[Trekster_Gamer]

I'm ready to see what Scorpio can do,. I hope the price is right.

[NohansenBoy]

PS4 Pro and this should be recognized as 10th gen consoles anyway. How a new generation is usually defined is new hardware from better chips being released and the competition aspect is another reason for these "updated" machines to and their main competition is PC. With Intel releasing a new chip that's $64 that's replacing a $110 chip on the CPU market and AMD ruling the budget GPU by releasing a GPU that has performance on par with a $200 GPU for only $100, PC gaming is getting cheaper and cheaper and consoles are having a hard time catching up.

[NextGenCeo]

I always said. Xbox Scorpio is next generation console not a part of Xbox One family. PS4 Pro is PS4 family because using same amount GDDR5 memory with higher speed, using same CPU cores with overclock and same Bluray Drive. Only GPU upgraded, console not designed new technology Chip's!

But Scorpio CPU, GPU, Memory everything design new technologies. Not anymore EsRam over there, not AMD Jaguar CPU cores, not Pitcairn AMD GPU every single chip new technologies.

And Scorpio not giving only 2.3x boost for overall performance difference like PS4 to PS4 Pro. It's gives more then 4.5x overall performance difference between orjinal Xbox One. Scorpio not a mid gen upgrade like PS4 Pro. It's totally Next Generation!

(ESL guy here so sorry for English)

[Einhander1971]

Now you know how potential switch owners feel with all the bull shit articles and doom
And gloom..

[BlackTar187]

jeez LOL

[DillyDilly]

I am pretty sure that if at E3 Microsoft says anything like "You gotta buy the Scorpio to play the upcoming games" that will just get boos like the XBOX One E3 reveal

[VoodooProject]

I thought PS4 Pro does all games in native 4k on all games and has a 4k blu ray player. Im confused.

[droojohnson]

Does that mean it will actually be able to run their two-dimensional platformer without crashing or dropping to 10fps?

[DivineAssault]

Thats what it seems like.. I think MS should wait and just make it a full blown next gen console instead of making it to compete with the pro.. Get some good exclusives on the thing and ill buy it.. Not gears/halo either... I mean unique new IPs from 2nd party devs

[DillyDilly]

Those exclusives better work on the previous XBOX Ones if they ditch the previous ones & only focus on the Scorpion that will drive a lot of fans away permanently

[343_Guilty_Spark]

8th 9th 10th generation ...doesn't matter because it'll be the most powerful console on Earth.

[Inzo]

It just goes from bad to worse xbox gamers. Xbox 1 and 1S are going to be snubbed and this dev confirms it. Mark my words, It wont happen in the first few months or even the first 6 months but sooner or later Phil Spencer is going to walk onto a stage and say the last words Xbox 1 gamers will want to hear. "Next, a game that will be exclusive to the Scorpio" (or whatever the name will be then)

[joab777]

For Xbox it is. And it is what we wanted when we considered next gen but weren't willing to pay 3 yrs ago. I thinks with the advent of 4 k and VR though, it worked out well. Instead of paying $700, we pay twice over 6 yrs.

But Xbox may have considered going next gen and putting real pressure on Sony and Nintendo. They have BC so they could have also compensated current owners in some way. Siftware could have mirrored this gen, offering games on both systems for awhile, but creating new software for Scorpio.

Sony would have to make a move, and Nintendo would be in real trouble!

[jholden3249]

Huh. Well, if it gets new games the OG Xbox One models can't play, then yes it's a new generation.

If it gets games the OG models can play, it's an upgrade (even if it's a really powerful one).

Either way, it's a new console and I'm excited. I wouldn't say PS4 Pro was half*** though. I mean, it was a decent little upgrade. Idk. I'm not into all these console wars. I like the PS4 Pro- got my PSVR and Vita, but also have a Wii U and 3DS and 2 Switches preordered, and an Xbox One and Gaming PC. And will definitely be getting Scorpio day one.

While other people play one single console and mock all the rest, pretending they're getting all the best games and none of the other consoles are "worth buying", I'm playing all the consoles and ACTUALLY AM getting all the best games.

[NotanotherReboot]

Thank god it's not half baked like the Pro

[Markusb33]

No chance after the leaked White paper at digital foundry, remember they had the pro spec months before and it was 100% Scorpio shows a similar technique to checkerboard rendering, I thought it as a true 4K machine, the chip has been downgraded too. Now if I was a MS fan I would be furious, I understand marketing speak but come on digital foundry said the console can not be the beast MS said it is.