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Michael Pachter on Switch Projections, PlayStation 5 Date, and Xbox One's Future

On this week's episode, Wedbush Securities research analyst and host of the Pachter Factor, Michael Pachter, joins host Josiah Renaudin to discuss the business of making video game projections. Pachter explains why the Nintendo Switch might need a price cut, when we can expect to see the PlayStation 5, why Microsoft will always be second in the console race, the future of virtual reality, and why you don't need to worry about 4K until 2020.

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smolinsk2678d ago

Smart man that Michael Pachter.

bloop2678d ago

I don't know who's giving you disagrees because you're right, he is a smart man. Anyone that can get paid well and make a good living out of just pulling random predictions out of his ass has to be a smart man.

IAmLoki2678d ago

Almost everything he says the opposite happens.

BG115792678d ago

He is smart. How the hell do you explain for him making money with his predictions ? The guy is mostly wrong, but people still pay him to get his point of view of things.
He's smart alright. ^^

indysurfn2678d ago

@IAMLoki perfect analysis. That is how Analyst get up liquidity for there clients. Tell the public the opposite of what his client wants to do. If the Client wants to sell a company he will pump it up ahead of time. If his clients need to buy a company they will put it down ahead of time.

OB1Biker2678d ago

Maybe a lot of people are not?

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corroios2678d ago

Lol, 2020? Patcher so far away from the reality...

Omnislashver362678d ago

With PS5 in 2018-2019 we'll fully exploit 4K for some games very soon. With 1800p for now, there's already an advantage for 4K in 2017. This guy is an idiot.

demonddel2678d ago

Sony just release the Pro it hasn't even been 6mons yet and yall already talking about the PS5

RosweeSon2678d ago

Your not getting a ps5 anytime soon. Scorpio doesn't come out until late 2017. Sony just realised their pro 3 months ago. They've barely just cleared 50 million the halfway mark for them they got another 2-3 years of PS4 minimum. Can't see a ps5 launching until late 2019 (Dec Japan Only) if at all... 2020 the likely time.

Omnislashver362678d ago (Edited 2678d ago )

@demonddel

Are you f-ing joking? We're at an article with Patcher talking about 4K arriving in 2020. I just bought and am content with a PS4-Pro, the only reason I brought up PS5 is because that's what the article is about. Try reading next time? Talk about shooting the messenger.

freshslicepizza2678d ago

Soon after scorpio comes out there will be more and more talk about the ps5. It's just natural for the community to not feel inferior as far as tech and performance. The issue Sony then faces is what is the value of the PS4 pro especially if the PS5 does not support PS4 games. Microsoft wants a continuation of your software to stay with you.

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ShadowKnight2678d ago (Edited 2678d ago )

@Moldybread

What makes you think the PS5 won't support PS4 games??? If the PS5 have an AMD GPU in it I'm sure it will support PS4 games and BC.

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FITgamer2678d ago

2020 Sounds reasonable. That's when I personally would expect a PS5 launch.

smashman982678d ago

I'd say late 2018 to mid 2019

freshslicepizza2678d ago

2020 at the very latest, probably 2019. i expect sometime next year in 2018 leaks will be out there and that is exactly what sony wants, to keep the focus away from scorpio if it does gain some traction for microsoft.

ShadowKnight2678d ago (Edited 2678d ago )

@Moldybread

It will keep the focus away from Scorpio regardless imo until Microsoft release a big new IP from their first party studios. I'm waiting for their new big franchise that's bigger than Halo.

morganfell2678d ago

It isn't just when it is out that matters but also when it is announced. They can announce it long before they have complete specs, a design, and exact launch date. Any of it. Announcing it will take the wind out of the competition fast. Particularly if they say it will be B/C with current PS4 titles. I do not think B/C is a big issue but it will push some consumers toward the PS4 if they know the PS5 supports those titles. It is more about marketing than reality.

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Psytrix2677d ago

We'll all be buying 8K sets by then. :-)

FlyingFoxy2677d ago (Edited 2677d ago )

When 4k is only just starting to be playable on PC with high end GPU's, if wanting 60fps in some games? Not likely, games will run like utter crap for a long time at 8k when 4k hasn't even fully stretched it's legs yet. Then 4k 144hz monitors are coming out this year, they would be much better.

For TV's 1080p is also fine, even Linus reviewed a 4k set recently and said there isn't a big difference. It's all a distance thing, sit a normal/average viewing distance from the TV and you'd not notice much of a difference. Really it's only for sitting very close up, ideal for a PC monitor only mostly. Even then it depends on the screen size.

LamerTamer2678d ago

Scorpio is much more powerful than the PS4 pro so we will see.

Sm00thNinja2678d ago

Says who? Have you seen official specs?

Eldyraen2678d ago

Every single piece of information has pointed in that direction. You can argue it's not a full generation above it (as most full generation leaps are 2-3x more powerful or even more) but it's still substantial.

If rumors are right it's basically about a generation above One/PS4 (base) and still about 1.5 beyond the pro's power. Are the rumors true? Who knows but just going by Teraflops alone (not really a perfect system) it's significant no matter how you want to look at it.

It doesn't mean it will make it a success (I still see PS4 outselling One) but the power difference should be real.

yeahright22678d ago

@eldy Teraflops are a horrible measure though. I mean the PS4 Pro can do 8 teraflops technically.

http://segmentnext.com/2016...

Add to that new rumors that the scorpio will also be doing quite a bit of upscaling... best we all wait for official specs before comparisons start.

RosweeSon2678d ago

Doubtful as other than a name and claim "it's gonna be all powerful" it's all up in the clouds still.

BizarroUltraman62678d ago

@yeahright,

If the Pro can do 8.4 tflops, then the Scorpio can do 12 tflops using the same half methods. So lets stop trying to move to post even further. The Scorpio no matter what you guys have to say is still gonna be more powerful than the Pro. Be it 1.5x or more...

JasonKCK2678d ago

Yup! some were released last year at E3. Deny all you want but Scorpio is significantly more powerful than the Pro. You would have to stick another PS4 in the Pro just to get close.

81BX2678d ago

@smooth
Do you think it wont be? Or around the same?

ChickenOfTheCaveMan2678d ago

@BizarroUltraman6 Who says the 6 teraflops number is not calculated by saying like 25% of the operation should be done in half floats? And to say that Scorpio is much more than the Pro is like saying the PS4 is much more powerful than X1, same ratio, I'll go with only "more powerful" if the specs are right.

yeahright22677d ago

@bizzaro, take off the fanboy hat for a second and you'll realize the point I was making wasn't that the Pro will be more powerful, it was that what we're using to measure scorpio, isn't the best tool. And we don't know if the scorpio will be able to use the same trick to double its teraflops. Why? Because we don't have the specs yet (hence why I said we should wait for the specs). On top of that, even if the scorpio can't double the teraflops, it won't mean that it's less powerful. Why? because teraflops is not a goo way measure power. It just gives you a ball park of what it's capable of. (hence why I said teraflops is a horrible way to measure.)

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Old_Boss_2678d ago

Scorpio Fall 2017 , PS5 Fall 2019 (probably) and PS5 probably will be more powerful and then a new more powerful Xbox in Fall 2020/21 and so on and on this cycle will never end.

ShadowKnight2678d ago (Edited 2678d ago )

But what console will have the most exclusives and first party studios? That will be key ntm who will have the most popular trademark in the world by 2019-2020? Microsoft or Sony?

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BizarroUltraman62678d ago

@ShadowKnight, popular trademark or brand? Playstation was established 4-5 yrs before Xbox came. And its popularity has only grown since, I think PS5 will be a sure hot seller when it comes around if this gen is any indication. And PS will still have #1 position. As for Microsoft, they have work to do to fix brand image with all the 180s they do, they lost some trust from gamers. Scorpio and some new games can fix that tho... I'll wait and see what happens.

Cmv382678d ago

Much more powerful? Based on what?

LamerTamer2678d ago

Everything said about it including leaked specs.

jrshankill2677d ago

...Every developer who has looked at it

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RosweeSon2678d ago

PS4 still got plenty of grunt under the hood you've seen god of war on ps2 Gran turismo 6 on PS3... PS4 has got some big big games still to come and they prob won't be fully flexing the console give it 2-3 years when it's nearing the end of its cycle they'll get some great looking games out for it still and Xbox wanna go next gen haha. Only because they've given up on this one already.

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Hardiman2678d ago

I agree with him on quite a few things in particular the 4K broadcasting as I have dish and there are only a few PPV channels that do 1080P most are 1080i or 720P. I love my 4K tv though and do look forward to more content. As it is right now the Pro is good enough and the games that are out or are coming while they may not be native 4K they look absolutely beautiful, Horizon, Nioh, Mass Effect, God of War, Uncharted 4, Days Gone and so on. The buffer between gens seems smart as well.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher19h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack19h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics2h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Fishy Fingers18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan4h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens524h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

outsider162452m ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

-Foxtrot18h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast13m ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake56m ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

helicoptergirl18h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan18h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

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Evercade Alpha Reveals Affordable Mini-Arcade

This looks fun and affordable for fans of Retro Cabinet games.
Introducing Evercade Alpha, the first Evercade-compatible arcade machine. This bartop-sized arcade gives you everything you want in a home arcade machine with one big feature - full compatibility with the Evercade cartridge ecosystem.

darthv721d 20h ago

I like the Mega Man one more as it has a better variety of games. Strider, Carrier Airwing, Final fight... The other is all SF. Plus i like that i can pop in any of my evercade carts to play as well.

Garethvk1d 20h ago

As long as it is durable; it's a deal.

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Sony Says The PS5 Is Its “Most Profitable Generation To-Date"

During Sony’s recent business segment meeting and investor presentation regarding its game and network services, the PlayStation company revealed that PlayStation 5 is the company’s “most profitable generation to-date.”

It’s the top slide of the presentation, showing that in its first four years, the PS5 generation has already hit $106 billion in sales, having almost caught up to the PS4’s total $107 billion generated.

Operating income for the PS5 generation has also already surpassed that of the PS4, having now reached $10 billion.

ApocalypseShadow2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I wouldn't doubt it. They released a high quality system. A lot of high quality games from themselves and their support of 3rd party developers and indies. They released many high quality remakes and remasters. They released a high quality GaaS game going against the naysayers thinking Sony would abandon single player games. And they most likely are profiting a lot more than PS1, PS2 PS4 and the loss leading PS3 that drained all their profits.

Now, I'll wait to see what's cooking tomorrow. But can you use some of those profits to better support your high quality VR headset? Because, by supporting it, you can sell more games and more systems and make more profits?

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I want RPGs for PSVR2! Good ones of course

shinoff21832d ago

If it had some rpgs I would buy right fking now. It looks dope and alot of fun, but it's biggest game resident evil 4(maybe) I've got no interest in. I'm not a fan of racing games, even with that metro game coming i was never much into that series. Rpgs would be fantastic.

MrNinosan2d ago

Lemme know if ya wanna play some Zenith 🙌
Bought it at release, but haven't played it more than 1-2 hours but for sure on my "todo list".

Cacabunga2d ago

Normal when they released mostly cross gen games so far. That’s a lot of money saved..
We haven’t seen what PS5 can do yet. 4years in and PS4 games still look great to me. The gen leap isn’t quite there yet.

--Onilink--2d ago

The interesting metric for me is the $106billion in operating income/profit (not sales as mentioned in the article) reaching the same as the PS4 did with only half the consoles sold.

In particular because they all are supposed to be making the most per hardware sold after a few years when manufacturing costs are down.

So even putting inflation aside(and the higher console price), it is interesting that they could reach PS4 $ with just half the consoles sold.

Maybe there is more to the metric thats whats seen at face value, but they have clearly been making a lot more money than before on the software side (with also less games released I suppose, given its only been half the generation so far)

VersusDMC2d ago

The bulk of the money has to be coming from the 30% cut on all games and microtransactions. Especially on all the free to play juggernauts like genshin, apex, fortnight, etc.

--Onilink--2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@Versus

They are definitely making a lot on that for sure (which the $70 price increase factors into as well), but its not like many of those games werent around for the PS4 too.

They might be counting the gen as a whole and not just PS5 itself (so extra profit from PC sales, whatever that may be)

PS+ price increase and different tiers probably amount to part of that too.

But in general, its still quite a surprising metric. Half the time, half the consoles sold, less first party games released so far and still already making more of a profit than last gen is quite something, and as mentioned, there is probably more to it that we dont know, after all, since we are talking about operating income, all the expenses they have also factor into it, so it is also possible that they have found ways to significantly reduce that + all the means of increased revenue that appear to be factoring into the equation

All in all, just an interesting situation from a business perspective

porkChop2d ago

It's for the whole generation, so it would likely be including PC. They also make much more profit on digital sales vs retail, and digital is far more prominent these days. The generation also started at the height of COVID when everyone was home, spending far more money on gaming/hobbies. It makes a lot of sense for this gen to be more profitable.

Abnor_Mal2d ago

This will surely shut up all the new trolling accounts trying to spread lies and non facts in other articles comment sections before this article is posted.

Hofstaderman2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Obscurely, those trolls or troll will not show in these articles as the truth is contradictory to his or their orchard-sized daily dose of copium and hopium.

Tacoboto2d ago

Or... They're intentionally trolling you guys specifically. Because they know it upsets you so easily.

Name-dropping Orchard, after this many months? How long has it been and he's still in your thoughts?

Elda2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I'm quite sure the individual is reading these positive comments downvoting & seething at the same time. Edit: It just downvoted my comment...lol!!

Hofstaderman2d ago

No I'm entertained by this individual. I love unhinged people, they are so interesting lol.

repsahj2d ago

Wow! I am super impressed that in just 4 years, ps5 already caught up to the PS4's. Congratulations.

JackBNimble1d 14h ago

That happens when half of your games are cross platform. I'm still waiting to see what the ps5 is capable of, because they sure haven't pushed any limits.

And where are all these ps5 exclusive games?

sagapo2d ago

Not really surprised as Sony barely has any competition at the moment.

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