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Is Sony Getting Cocky Again?

After the lack of new announcements at E3 2018, the abysmal press conference presentation, and the Fortnite account debacle, Sony seems to be in hot water as of late. Are they getting cocky? Game Savvy discusses.

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JaguarEvolved2173d ago

They never acted cocky. People who were too poor to afford a ps3 at launch just were upset they were told to get another job to be afford a ps3 when they wanted to get a premium console for shillings. Sony not wanting cross-play on fortnite with other console is because they have a player base that is bigger than switch and Xbox combined and they don't want to lose money by encouraging players to play elsewhere. It's funny to see people crying about cross-play as if they have any rights to tell a company like Sony how they should lose money

BiggerBoss2173d ago

If Sony is being "cocky" right now, then I'm fine with that.

Just compare the Xbox 2018 lineup with the PS4's:

Sea of Thieves
State of decay 2
Forza Horizon 4

VS

GOD OF WAR
Detroit: Become Human
Spider-Man

Obviously, I've left some PS4 exclusives off, but I feel like this list speaks for itself.

ClanPsi12172d ago

@BiggerBoss I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing? All of those XBox games are f*cking garbage.

Kiwi662172d ago

So telling people to get a second job if they want to buy a console isn't cocky ?

TekoIie2172d ago

"They never acted cocky. People who were too poor to afford a ps3 at launch just were upset they were told to get another job to be afford a ps3 when they wanted to get a premium console for shillings."

I'm 100% convinced you're a child now. I was a teenager back then and even remember the how ridiculous the PS3 pricing was.

Ever heard of the Xbox Wii60 thing going round at that time? You know cuz it's kinda cocky to price your system so high that its better to just buy both of your competitors systems for a similar price.

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S2Killinit2172d ago

how is Sony being "cocky"... quality journalism right there.

outsider16242172d ago (Edited 2172d ago )

Sorry, but telling people to get another job so you can buy a ps3 is cocky to me. Sony got arrogant with that. Yes it was expensive because of bluray but you dont need to tell people "you want a ps4, get another job".

BlackTar1872172d ago

It's so insane that most of you reference a quote that is not only the wrong context but also not even the real quote.

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Kribwalker2172d ago

“It's funny to see people crying about cross-play as if they have any rights to tell a company like Sony how they should lose money”

So what about all the people that cry about games as a service? What right do they have to tell a company like Warnerbros how they should lose money?

thisismyaccount2172d ago

KKK never said you should get a 2nd job. He said ppl would work harder, going the extra mile for a PS3 due it being a novelty and a premium product (at that time).

The Wood2172d ago

Cocky like Ronaldo. . .star player who produces the goods year on year or cocky like the guy with a big mouth always talking themselves up but flatter to deceive. . . .🤔

If the games and consistency of quality I'm getting constitutes as Sony being cocky then stay that way. . .

Personally I think they can do better in a few aspects but if I had to grade Sony on faults vs positives this gen, they're definitely on the positive end of the spectrum. .

Let those who prefer the other console continue to use their energy on Sony whilst ignoring glaring issues of their preferred.

Segata2172d ago

If Nintendo can afford crossplay then so can Sony.

RauLeCreuset2172d ago

"If Nintendo can afford crossplay then so can Sony."

What? Nintendo would benefit from sharing customers with competitors' larger online customer bases. Sony would not benefit from sharing customers with competitors' smaller customer bases.

Say I run a barbershop and have 100 clients. One of my competitors has 30 clients and another 20. My competitors are pressuring me to participate in a rewards program that would pool our customers and offer them incentives for patronizing any of our shops. There is no revenue sharing agreement, so whichever of the three shops a customer visits keeps all of the revenue from that customer. I also find out the shop with 30 clients won't be pooling all 30 of their clients (in the same way MS' Live Gold paywall means they're only contributing their Gold members). That benefits my competitors, not me.

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letsa_go2172d ago (Edited 2172d ago )

@Kribwalker What is your obsession with GaaS? You and your xbox friends seem to be the only ones gushing about it. You guys are the only ones that want to play a single game for years, getting drip-fed content like you are lab rats running on a treadmill. What is wrong with you guys???

Imalwaysright2172d ago

"Next gen doesn't start until we say so"

The Wood2172d ago (Edited 2172d ago )

Rrod is within the failure rate

You can't just flick a switch

deal with it

Aceman182171d ago

All these companies have been cocky at some point no point in trying to single out just one company.

Yes Sony said get a 2nd job for ps3 lol

MS told ppl if they can't play online for X1 there's always the 360 lol.

Can't remember ninty comment but I'm sure they've made plenty of cocky statements lol.

I will also support Sony/Nintendo because they always provide me with the games I love.

The original xbox was my favorite console from MS because there were a lot of games I loved, but these last two consoles have left me wanting. Hopefully MS can show me something that will get me interested again.

Aceman182171d ago

@tucky

Please stop with that nonsense NO racing game no matter how well it plays will never be overall game of the year for the entire year, unless there were no other games of worth that released that year.

So forza horizon will not be beating the likes of spiderman, god of war, rdr2, far cry 5, and I think AC for game of the year this year.

I truly believe that the fanboys here from each side make the actual true fans of these companies look real bad.

KickSpinFilter2171d ago (Edited 2171d ago )

The lackadaisical nature of fixing CC PS3 Hack, telling people to get another job is the pinnacle of being Cocky.
Cross Play I understand, but that is not the issue with Fortnite.
The issue with Fortnite is Sony locking your progression to Sony.
I get it that Sony want's to make money on MT's absolutely, as they should.
It would be fine if MT's that were bought on Sony only worked on PS4/PC as long as progression was not tied.
And that is where people have the issue not cross play.
And before you even say it I am a PS4 only not playing Fortnite user.
PS2 into PS3 Sony was cocky
360 into XB1 MS was cocky.
Wii into WiiU Nin was cocky.
Next Gen who knows? Hopefully they have all learned their lessons.

AmUnRa2171d ago (Edited 2171d ago )

As an PSgamer i disagree with you.

Yes they where cocky round the launch of the PS3. They thought the PS2 was a succes so the PS3 will also be a succes, even when it was expensive at launch.
So that backfired in the first years of the PS3, but first eating the humble pie and than the dedication of delevering AAA exclusive games only playable on Playstation saved theyr ass.

Are they cocky now? Why because they dont want crosplay with the xbox and the switch? No they are not cocky, just protecting there marketshare, just like Microsoft did with the Xbox360.

gamer78042171d ago

Its purely money driven correct. They should remove their slogan "for the players" though. Eventually arrogance leads to downfall, it's crazy how quickly companies forget when they are on top, before they get knocked down.

Muzikguy2171d ago

It’s a sad state of affairs when telling the truth is being cocky. Why don’t people complain about the opposing sides of these arguments? There’s NOTHING cocky about speaking the truth. Also funny that people are hearing what was said wrong. It was never “get a second job””. They’re not being cocky now either. This Fortnite thing is getting so old.

@BiggerBoss

Lol

@Clan

I believe that’s the idea.

thepluggy2171d ago

you sound like a corporate cunt,lol

babadivad2171d ago

I can't believe people are seriously arguing that Sony wasn't cocky at the begining of the PS3 launch.

dantesparda2171d ago

The only "cocky" motherf-ers I see is MS with their non stop talk of how the X is more powerful and therefore the "best place to play" bs and Nintendo with their ridiculously overcocky attitude about how good they are when they arent with their underpowered and overpriced system.

I dont think most of you even know what cocky means.

Sweetbrandigirl2171d ago

I agree completely Sony has the biggest player base AKA the PlayStation Nation and their NOT looking to share them with anyone nor should they. They have spent billions and decades building the playstation nation and have every right to keep them to themselves.

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affrogamer2173d ago

If this is what they call "cocky" imagine the exclusives they would be pumping out when they get desperate

BiggerBoss2173d ago

Exactly, right??

If the most recent God Of War game is Sony being "cocky", then what does that say??

Pantz2172d ago

More AI companion uncharted clones?

Spartacus102171d ago

Sony have far more highly rated exclusives and launched loads more new IP's on the PS3 than they have with the PS4.

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SuperSonic912172d ago

No. They have gotten wiser and smarter with all the lessons learned about the giant such as Microsoft on their throats 24/7.
Sony is not budging even an inch with their hard earned championship.
Heres for another grandslam with the PS5.

WilliamSheridan2172d ago

Definitely cocky but they have already more than won this generation. The next move that matters isn't until the release of the next systems, the power of them and the price point.

rainslacker2171d ago

I had to laugh at the description. Sony is getting plenty of heat over fortnite...although I'm not entirely convinced it's all on them.

Plenty of people complained about the presentation format of e3....even Sony fans.

People let the games slide some because they were still some of the best showings of e3, even though we knew about them.

None of the above implies they're being cocky, and if them being cocky means they keep.making great games and a capable system, then let them be cocky

MattE2171d ago

100% they are.. and in fairness they only got going when Uncharted 4 was released.. So what like 3 years of good games? Anything before that was dry. They need to be careful as I can see the start of this media/consumer sway already happening. Media goodwill can be taken back and passed out to another company just like that and we all know why this is important going by this gen

salmonade2171d ago

You deluded speculation means F all. Media goodwill comes with amazing games. It comes with a company taking risks and investing their money in new IP that people acttually love and are happy with. Shut up with your BS

MattE2171d ago

Truth is sometimes hard to accept

rainslacker2171d ago

3 years of a currently 4-1/2 year generation? and of course, the 1-1/2 year of decent to really good games before that. A couple misses in there for sure, but Sony still had more first party output in the first year and a half than they've ever had in the past.

Why is it always said that Sony didn't have any good games in the first year and a half? I:SS and First light were good, although not as good as the predecessors. DriveClub was really good except for the launch problems which didn't last that long, and really didn't affect the SP. Knack was decent enough for a launch title, although nothing to write home about. Of course Bloodborne...although that was 2nd party. LBP3 was OK.

Why is there always this narrative that Sony somehow sucks the first year or two? They may not have the same output as later, but they still had plenty of good games.

You're right that the truth is sometimes hard to accept. But what's easy to reject is the complete hyperbole based off subjective notions that Sony had no good games. That's just something that people like to use until they realize that it's not working to use that argument anymore. For a Sony first year, they did better than ever before, and really, better than most consoles in the history of console launches.

GNCFLYER2171d ago

Aaron greenburg was cocky. Sony doesn't act that way.

DJ_Professor_K2171d ago (Edited 2171d ago )

Naaaa it’s a big difference between cocky and confidence this is not that

3-4-52171d ago

There is no reason ever to be cocky or arrogant. That is different than confidence.

Arrogance and cockiness are signs of weakness and ignorance.

They have been full of themselves this entire gen, but a lot of Sony fans seem jsut as elitist as Sony seems to be.....like they are too good for everyone else or superior to everyone.

Nobody in any group likes people like that, aside from other people like that.

Sony has been wrong this entire gen about this cross play and this is only the latest incident.

There have been games accidentally launched with cross play turned on where players could briefly play as Xbox players against Sony players.....and then Sony cuts that signal off the next day once they find it out..

The option for it is there...it's easy and simple, but they think they are above everyone else.

Ok you won the sales numbers this gen, but that isn't a guarantee going into next gen, and they could very well be damaging their rep for next gen.

They won't have the lead against Xbox next gen they has this gen, as Microsoft isn't going to make the same mistake twice and will have a very powerful machine to rival the PS5.

Next gen will be interesting when they both re-start again on an even playing field.

I doubt Sony fans want to be mad at their favorite company, but you have to call out BS for what it is, regardless of company.

Microsoft & Nintendo get called out for their BS.....why not Sony?

Checks and balances are good for all.

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-Foxtrot2173d ago (Edited 2173d ago )

Not really, people just exaggerating little...you'd know if they were getting cocky. Although even today you still get misheard stuff from 2006 like how people keeping going on about how Sony told us all to get "two jobs" for the PS3 when really if you read the interview the guy said "It's so good you'll WANT to go out to get two jobs"...not making it right but not as bad as them arrogantly telling us like people make out, even still today.

However recently...

E3 - The did tell us a month ahead there was only going to be 4 big games shown, the intermission crap is what people need to focus on but in terms of content they did tell us it wouldn't be the same kind of show like other E3's. I don't know what else to say really.

Fortnite - Like I've said we don't know what really goes on behind closed doors and don't know the full situation. Do Sony need to work on a compromise for these features? Of course. Do we really need it to the point where it's killing them slowly as each day passes? Not really.

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UltraGaming2172d ago

The biggest complaint about fortnite is that if you bought the content on pc and play on pc then tried the game on ps4 that content you purchased on pc is locked to ps4, you then cant play on switch or xbox with content you purchased on pc. If you buy content on pc then play on xbox and then get a switch your content moves with you regardless of platform. Only with ps4 is the content locked even though it was originally bought on pc. I dont really care either way about fortnite as I dont play it but I can understand why people are annoyed if they spent the cash on pc

RauLeCreuset2171d ago

That's understandable, but the anger has been rolled up in this MS inspired campaign to attack Sony on cross-play when that energy would be better spent questioning Epic. Epic knew the terms. They knew Sony didn't approve cross-play between consoles. They knew that and knew there were certain conditions they had to meet if they wanted to do business on PS to respect Sony's position. The implementation of what they were promising was all on them; it was their responsibility to inform the customers. I still don't see why Epic can't just do a one time free of charge gift of locked content to the new accounts of anyone with a verified PS4 linked account. But I also don't see many people asking that question amid the furor to bash Sony.

UltraGaming2171d ago

Epic can probably sort it quite easily but all the publicity for fortnite is fantastic

rainslacker2171d ago

I don't know if it can be sorted out easily. Content on PSN is controlled pretty heavily by Sony. The only instances I know of where you can buy content off of PSN and use it on PSN is for games like FFXIV, where those agreements were made ahead of release of the game.

Epic probably can sort it out, but I still don't think cross buy with extra content is going to happen based on the standard compliance standards that exist for Sony.

CaptainOmega2173d ago

They are not getting cocky.

Sigh. Yoshida said there are still unannounced games.
The conference wasn't abysmal. The intermission was weak, but it did great after that.

This was an E3 for Sony to show 4 big exclusives, (and you're really going to complain about PS not having any announcements when MS had them all, and other devs decided not to come to E3? That again doesn't make any sense. It would be like complaining at a kid for not doing his homework when every pencil/pen in the city was moved to a different place that was inaccessible.

aconnellan2171d ago

I’m not disagreeing with you there, but it’s worth pointing out that if MS only showed ‘4 big games’ then they would have been absolutely destroyed.

Talks of them having no games and even worse third party support are what we’d be seeing in the comments instead of this

CaptainOmega2171d ago

I disagree. If they did the Forza Horizon 4 gameplay demo, Gears of War 5 gameplay demo, Halo Infinite Demo, and a Crackdown 3 MP demo, it would have been a great E3 for MS.

GaboonViper2173d ago

I wouldn't say cocky but they are in such a strong position i hope they don't start relying on COD and FIFA like MS did during 2010-2014, i want them to continue with provoiding gamers with the best exclusives on the market and i'm sure many feel the same and don't want cocky Sony back again.

Sevir2173d ago

They showed a closer look at 4 games all coming to The system... Actually... 6 there were 6 major AAA PS4 exclusives from Sony's first party. Dreams, Days Gone, LOU2, Spider-Man, Ghost and Death Stranding.... Dreams was featured during every transition, Days Gone was on the show floor and got a release date, and the latter 4 were deep dives, something they came out and said would be the main focus of their conference...

The pacing was the downer to an otherwise spot on conference.

BlackTar1872172d ago

When has Sony not delivered on content? I'll wait cause it was never, all ps systems start slow and then get rolling at incredible AAA state. Since ps1 and it will be the same with ps5. You should always own a Sony console because they provide the in years 2-6

Mr Marvel2173d ago (Edited 2173d ago )

If by cocky, you mean showing gameplay for the 3 most impressive games at the show, then I guess so.
TLoU2, Ghost of Tsushima and Spider-man all showed us why Sony is so far ahead of the competition.
Add to that the RE2 announcement and the weird as F (but stunning) Death Stranding, and it doesn’t look like the PS4 is slowing down anytime soon.

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shinoff218317h ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan3h ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin59m ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

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It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink9h ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

Grilla2h ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl5231h ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin57m ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

excaliburps3h ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla2h ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin56m ago(Edited 54m ago)

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

P_Bomb3h ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing692h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

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