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Sony's Horizon Forbidden West PS5 Upgrade Strategy Straight Up Sucks

Without much of an upgrade option, PS4 players have to lock in which Horizon version to buy without knowing when they'll play on PS5.

Knushwood Butt1002d ago

What are the differences between the PS4 and PS5 versions?

Neonridr1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

better resolution, faster frame rates, ray tracing, faster loading, dual sense integration, 3D audio. Just throwing those things out there off the top of my head if I had to take a guess.

Jin_Sakai1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

Pretty sure Forbidden West doesn’t support Ray-tracing. Also, Sony really need to short this out asap.

where-eagles-dare1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

I played the entire game originally on the Ps4 Pro and I have sunk several hours into the upgraded game on the Ps5 and I can say that the visuals, to me, look a lot crisper & the 60 fps frame rate is buttery smooth and a tremendous addition.

The loading times have indeed been shortened.

### Edit - My apologies - I miss read the above and mistakenly thought you were both referencing Horizon Zero Dawn. In my defence, it's late here & I'm a nincompoop.

VersusDMC1002d ago

They also said the underwater effects were downgraded on the PS4 version as well.

Neonridr1002d ago

@Jin - fair enough, I'm sure there are enough upgrades over the base PS4 version though.

jukins1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

Horizon forbidden west definetly suppor5s ray tracing. . Use it for rendering, sound etc https://screenrant.com/hori...

dumahim1002d ago

@jukins

The hell? Reading the quote from the link, how is ray tracing used in rendering and physics?

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Bruh1002d ago

Though Ray Tracing could end up in the final product, none of the preview videos have shown any form of RT in any form...where the hell did you pull that one from? lmao

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JohnJ1001d ago

There’s no PS4 version because Sony believe in console generations and making next-gen games that would be impossible on older hardware. Until they realise they’re losing money by doing that, then they charge you for both versions and suddenly it works on PS4.

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darthv721001d ago

I just remembered Sony said HFW was supposed to be a free upgrade game, but I guess since it is no longer considered a "launch window" game it no longer applies?

TheDibbler1001d ago

There was another quote from Jim Ryan later where he still said it would be a free upgrade even after it slid out of the launch window. So it was basically another one of those we believe in generations style lies.

ShadowWolf7121001d ago

@TheDibbler He's not made a comment since it was delayed out of the launch window, what are you talking about?

4Sh0w1001d ago (Edited 1001d ago )

True but like Destin said I think most people would consider that to be a very, very weak excuse to go back on your word. Bottom line is if you say something will be free, then it should be free, otherwise a company can arbitrarily change any position to justify lying to us= Bad for PS gamers, Bad for the industry imho.
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ElvisHuxley1001d ago

Not sure, but the PS5 version is one of the best looking games I've ever seen. Can't imagine the PS4 will be able to replicate that too closely.

NoFanBoy1001d ago

One looks like it's running on a 8 year old console and the other does not.

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Christopher1002d ago

The $10 extra on PS5 alone is an added tax on top of the hardware we already paid for.

I'll do what I've done with certain games, wait until the super deluxe edition is on sale for $60 or less. I haven't even touched GoTDC because I want it on PS5 but don't want to be taxed $10 for the access on the hardware I spent $500 on.

crazyCoconuts1002d ago

The not having a free upgrade is kinda a requirement since they have committed to the $10 upcharge for PS5, so I agree that the upcharge for PS5 is probably the core of the issue.
On that topic, if you take the position that Sony isn't gouging and genuinely needs to charge more for games in order to keep doing what they're doing, it is a bit tricky as to how to up the price while still appearing to be competitive with pricing. Maybe it would have made more sense to folks if they just upped the price for all versions to $70 and made the versions interchangeable (free upgrades)?

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Christopher1001d ago

***Maybe it would have made more sense to folks if they just upped the price for all versions to $70 and made the versions interchangeable (free upgrades)?***

Makes more sense than "Hey, we're happy you're supporting our future, but also, please pay an extra $10 because development costs more and we only want you to pay for that excess cost and not the people who play on PS4 or if you choose to just buy the PS4 version that can also be played on your PS5."

Either it's more expensive for everyone or for no one, IMHO. Blaming people for upgrading is the wrong answer, IMHO.

itsmebryan1001d ago

@crazy
Did you know that Sony said the upgrade would be free. That is the problem people are having. So, it went from $60 with a free upgrade to $80 to be able to play on the PS4 and Ps5 one you can get one.

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LucasRuinedChildhood1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

Hopefully, like the plan to shut down the PS3 PS Store, they'll reverse this bad decision if enough people complain about it. Otherwise, the same thing will happen with GOW2.

And by the time the game launches, who wants the discussion to still be about bad business practices that Guerilla's developers had no say in? Sony need to cop on.

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Sonyslave31002d ago

Sony for the players smh suck for those who cant grab a ps5 for standard price.

CaptainHenry9161002d ago

And Jim Ryan is laughing about it 😁

SoulWarrior1002d ago

This does indeed suck and I hope Sony reconsider.

wwinterj1001d ago

Why would they? Are folk new to gaming here? If not you'll understand in the past we had no choice but to pick a console edition to buy and pay again when a new gen version came out or wait and buy the new gen version. Not sure why some folk think free next gen upgrades or a small fee to upgrade is normal here.

UncertainCategory1001d ago

When your competition is offering upgrades for free, it’s a bad look, no matter how you try to spin it.

QSPR1001d ago (Edited 1001d ago )

Indeed, this is a di ck move by SONY. I'm a big PlayStation fan and supporter but not this kind of move.

Ryuk_20071002d ago

Hold on.. so the ps4 version is $60 and ps5 version is $70... but to own both of them is $80? What kind of ass backwards shenanigans is this??

Tacoboto1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

Yep, so if you get that PS4 disc, you've gotta repurchase the full game to get the full experience on PS5 - no upgrades.

EvertonFC1002d ago

How many parents will buy the ps4 version not knowing?

JackBNimble1001d ago

No you can purchase the $200 deluxe edition and get both ps4 and ps5 versions I believe.
That is the only physical options available to get the ps5 upgrade.

Kyizen1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

80 for 2 copies of the game is cheaper than 130...pay ot if you plan to upgrade to a ps5...

mrblackgx1001d ago

People like you is why shampoo have instructions

JackBNimble1001d ago

Mrblackgx
Yes you are correct, but unfortunately people like him aren't smart enough to read the instructions.

ABizzel11001d ago

That's true, but that shouldn't be the case, especially when the competition isn't doing this. The entire reason these companies are still supporting the old consoles is because there are tens of millions on them, and they're struggling to get ships to mass produce enough consoles for their new systems.

We should not be paying $80 for a cross-gen game just to ensure we have the PS5 version in the future when we can finally get a console. It should be included in the $70 version to begin with or have a $10 upgrade charge at most, again when the competition is not doing this currently. Halo is $60 regardless of platforms and will upgrade when you get your new console, Forza Horizon 5 is $60 regardless of platform and will upgrade when you get your new console. This is a business move plain and simple for a few extra million, when all this kind of tactic does is make people wait to buy the game when they get their PS5 and by then the price of the game new is going to decrease.

This is one of the first legit stupid business decisions of the PS team this generation.

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glennhkboy1002d ago

There you have it. It seems that a lot of PS owner said they don't mind, gladly pay any amount Sony asks you guys. I think Sony is just "listening to its fans", charge you guys what ever amount Sony like.

Eonjay1002d ago (Edited 1002d ago )

No it's just them being greedy.
This is on top of them having 5 different versions in preorder. I'm sure they will fix the upgrade thing tho.. people are pissed.

People don't understand we reserve the right as PlayStation fans to question them and demand better when they err.

What we don't support is dog piling on a company with attacks that don't have the best interest of the consumer in mind. It's far and in-between when these publications voice legit concerns.

We know the difference.

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Livingthedream1001d ago

Lol @glenn it sounds like it’s going to be justified by its fan base. Seems ridiculous to me but hey, to each their own.

Orbilator1001d ago

I'll pay whatever they want, money and prices don't bother me, if you can't afford to game then don't do it and stop moaning about the cost. That goes for parents too, don't buy your son/daughter a shiny new console then moan like mad about the price of games.

vallencer1001d ago

The amount of people that are just willing to pay is mind boggling. Like when the competition is giving free upgrades why is it that they're not clamoring for Sony to do the same?

@orbilator
It isn't about not affording it. It's about getting a company to do what's right by it's player base. This crap Sony is doing isn't it. I get they're a business and all but this is the wrong way to do business especially when the competition isn't doing this.

Orbilator1001d ago

Microsoft are not making any money off game pass and eventually it will crumble, no way they make money. And when halo infine goes on with it's 500 million development costs where is the money coming from that ? Not from the gaming devsion that's for sure. The Microsoft model is a very poor idea and long term it's a recipe for disaster.

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wwinterj1001d ago

Not a bad deal to get both versions for $40 each if you care that much.

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Sony shares big new PS Plus stat, but not the one we want to see

PlayStation Plus has improved the split of PS4 and PS5 players on its priciest tiers, but Sony continues to hide total subscriber numbers.

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mandf20h ago

lol acting like it’s equivalent to ms numbers

Mr Logic20h ago

Uh...They're definitely not equivalent.

"Microsoft’s Xbox Game Pass service now has 34 million subscribers."

"the total number of PS Plus subscribers across all tiers was 47.4 million"

darthv7220h ago(Edited 20h ago)

That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.

To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN.

bloop16h ago

That's not the "gotcha" you think it is Darth.

darthv7215h ago

^^it's not supposed to be bloop.... it's just an interesting observation.

Einhander197214h ago

darthv72

"That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.

To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN."

Have you ever heard of a PC before? I hear they are pretty popular.

fr0sty8h ago

MS started lumping gold subscribers in with those GP numbers... keep in mind.

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shinoff218319h ago(Edited 19h ago)

What. Definitely more os plus subscribers but that makes sense due to actual console sales

Darth the difference between the bases are huge your right but you gotta think. Ps players buy more games, where as the Xbox base relies on gamepass for their gaming. So it makes perfect sense

darthv7219h ago(Edited 19h ago)

What makes perfect sense though? You say PS players buy more games... so then logically there should be more PS+ subscribers given the increased number of online multiplayer games in the PS4 generation alone. The PS4 was the first time that + was required for online play much like Gold was for 360 users.

Keep in mind we are talking subscribers, not simply XB/PS users. I assume you meant to say offline single player games, which is most likely true as well. That gen also saw a significant increase in games with an online component comparted to the previous gen.

victorMaje18h ago

I for one will be going back to essential at the next renewal. When I feel a game is good & right up my alley, I’ll check trusted reviews & just buy it.

jznrpg17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

I have the top tier until 2028 as they gave me a massive discount for all the years I had left but I’ll most likely go to essential as well. I buy my games but my kids do use the service occasionally. They do prefer to own their games as well since any game can leave the rental service at some point and they don’t like that idea. They mostly use it to demo games then ask me to buy games if they really like it.

RedDevils12h ago

For me, I will cancel it all together but unfortunately I still have it till 2030 lol

meganick16h ago

I would like to see Sony add a fourth tier of PS Plus for people who just want to be able to play games online without any of the perks like monthly games, store discounts, or anything like that, and it should cost $20 annually, $30 maximum. There’s no way I’m paying $80 just to play games online. Even the original $60 fee was too much, and I would often wait for sales to re-up my subscription.

P_Bomb12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Essential is too expensive, I agree. We’ve got one Essential and one Premium sub. Dropping the Premium when it expires.

gamerz9h ago

Just let my subscription lapse for the first time since 2010. Will sub again every now and then for a month or so to access my old ps+ games but for me it's the end of an era.

DivineHand1259h ago

Let those numbers continue to drop because it is now too expensive. $80 per year just to play online. I noticed they didn't offer any discounts on the subscription or controllers during this year's days of play for the first time in many years and they will feel it when people choose not to renew.

My subscription will lapse next month and it will stay that way until further notice.

KevtheDuff5h ago

There were savings on subs and controllers here in the UK? I bought a controller yesterday in the sale..
It would be weird if those deals were not in other territories too?

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Silent Hill Transmission Livestream

Konami has announced that a Silent Hill Transmission will take place on Thursday, May 30, at 4pm PT/7pm ET that will reveal game updates, a "deeper look at the film," and new merch. Join us at IGN to find out what's next for this beloved franchise.

RaidenBlack1d 15h ago

Hope SH2 gets more polish before release.

P_Bomb1d 14h ago

I’m not paying $94 CAD for what they’ve shown me. Looks rough as sin.

Fishy Fingers1d 14h ago

Ive seen better lip syncing during a Punch and Judy show

Sonic18811d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

This looks terrible. Capcom should have done the remake 😂 The animations and gameplay looks stiff.

-Foxtrot1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Okay. I was saying before in another article how SH2 looked better than the last trailer, which is true but damn this looks rough as hell.

I wanted RE4 / Dead Space remake quality

Sonic18811d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

I wouldn't buy it for $70 dollars. Maybe when it's on sale.

-Foxtrot1d 14h ago

Yeah full price, deluxe editions, Konami are f***** tripping here.

CrimsonWing691d 14h ago

The characters look terrible to me… like it’s distracting.

repsahj1d 9h ago

I will give this game a chance!!! let's go!

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Cheat Provider To Pay Call Of Duty Creator Activision Nearly $15M In Damages

Cheat software provider EngineOwning will pay Call of Duty creator Activision nearly $15 million in damages and legal fees.

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Jin_Sakai1d 17h ago

Cheat providers for competitive games should be illegal.

Rynxie1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

This is what developers and manufacturers should do. I know going after cheat devices/makers is a cat and mouse game, and cost money. However, they can get that money back by sueing these manufacturers of cheat devices. Take a page from Nintendo's playbook.