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Baldur's Gate 3 Crushes The "Turn-Based Is A Relic Of The Past" Perception

Amidst the thoughts of "turn-based is stale" and "turn-based was a product of obsolete hardware," Baldur's Gate 3 lands to debunk them all.

shinoff2183281d ago

Shows that turn based is still a usable method in rpgs. Dq11, baldurs gate 3, persona 5 were all pretty damn successful. There's still a very viable market for it.

raWfodog281d ago

I love both turn-based and action-based gameplay. Of course they can both co-exist in this gaming ecology and, as the article stated, it's all about how they are implemented. I don't believe one is better than the other.

Seraphim281d ago

the problem is the sale difference between a vast majority of action vs turn based. Publishers are seemingly less likely to cater to a smaller crowd of turn based gamers as opposed to swinging for the mainstream by going action. 2 cents.

Like raWfodog said, though, they can both co-exist. Much as I love turn based I simply could not play only those games. Variety is a good thing, but I do hope more developers create some turn based bangers. Like the manual transmission, turn based games are a bit of a dying breed.

Number1TailzFan281d ago

I personally found turn based games kinda garbage. Worms was ok during the dial-up days because the multiplayer was fun and a lot of strategy involved.. Anything else I can't think of, Mario Party is fun but other than the board it's not really classed as a turn based game.

raWfodog280d ago

Turn-based gameplay is not for everyone of course. But some favorites of mine are the Persona, Trails, and Dragonquest series of RPGs. But, as I've already mentioned, I also enjoy action-based combat RPGs as well.

Obscure_Observer281d ago

"There's still a very viable market for it."

I´m currently playing Marvel´s Midnight Suns and it´s awesome! Every RPG and Marvel fan should try it!

Action, Turn-based, WRPG, JRPG, just give me all of it!

Tapani281d ago

Yeah, and Ryu Ga Gotoku turn-based system is fun, Shin Megami Tensei core series as well (albeit it is probably now the niche series). OSII was even better than Baldur's gate 3 and more complex. Into the Breach and XCom 1 and 2, Wasteland games etc. are also very good. Age of Wonders 4 and Planetfall. Darkest Dungeon. Man, the list just goes on and on.

I think the turn-based system is alive and well, it just gets strange news articles written about it for no reason.

shinoff2183280d ago

Younger people with no attention span. I know I get a bad rap like I don't like action rpgs but I actually do. Star ocean is one of my top series. I just don't like what they did with ff. It feels extremely westernized.

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andy85281d ago (Edited 281d ago )

This may be the first full price digital only game I have to buy 😮‍💨 looks so good

anast281d ago

It will be the first for me.

Tacoboto281d ago

Crazy that BG3 delivers such uncompromising depth (so uncompromising that they got Xbox to bend the knee on Series parity), and is celebrated for it (as they rightfully deserve), in the same general timeframe that Final Fantasy reduced itself to almost braindead simplicity.

I was telling a friend I've played BG3 with how it's been hard for me to go back and finish 16. It's like I can close my eyes and mash square+triangle to defeat almost any basic fight, while in BG3 I have to plan out something as basic as walking across a bridge without getting stuck in a spiderweb.

Heck, I accidentally sold light armor and Astarion isn't proficient in Medium, so I even have him walking around naked so he can still fire all his abilities and spend an action putting on the Medium when I can't avoid a close encounter.

MeatyUrologist281d ago

Yeah, THATS why you have Astarion walking around naked ;)

andy85281d ago

Are you playing with the hand holding rings on because that isn't my experience at all. If you're not dodging and using eikon abilities you're dying. Especially on Final Fantasy difficulty which was actually challenging. And I don't understand the comparison anyway really. Dont get me wrong I'm absolutely not the biggest fan of 16 but It's a turn based game vs an action game and the easiest difficulty was made to let every skill of player enjoy it.

Tacoboto281d ago

I do not have any of the assist rings on, I've got a defense boost and attack boost, don't remember what the third does but I think it's a boost to a specific ability. In the basic fights traversing around, the difficulty is nonexistent. Monster hunts and bosses - yes. If FF difficulty was provided to us from the start, I would have a better opinion of it.

The comparison is pretty simple to understand: A hardcore turn-based game, vs the latest game in a franchise that used to be turned-based but now feels like strategy has been basically removed until your second playthrough.

--Onilink--281d ago

Other than the very beginning while I was getting used to the combat, I felt the game was mostly easy and that it got easier as you progressed (to the point that I think the only time I died twice was when I was doing the Lvl 50 Dragon Hunt while being about 17 levels below, and I still got it on the 3rd try at that level)

The boss fights while pretty spectacular, were also rather easy too.

I’m actually looking forward to doing the NG+ because of the higher difficulty it unlocks which has different encounters too

Ryuken1985281d ago

That's like comparing an apple to a pear.

Even though if XVI is piss easy it is still the hardest in the series, and still NO ONE has ever complained about the difficulty in any other FF game.

Hell, who in the hell did even buy previous games in the series based on it was turn-based?

Tacoboto281d ago

People who were fans of JRPGs would buy games that played like JRPGs...

Ryuken1985281d ago

"People who were fans of JRPGs would buy games that played like JRPGs..."

Like how the whole jrpg genre was inspired by action-rpgs?

"Nihon Falcom's Dragon Slayer, released in 1984, is a historically significant title that helped lay the foundations for the Japanese role-playing game industry"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Jrpgs has never been defined by the battle system though...

dumahim281d ago

You should be able to go back to that vendor and buy it back.

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IMissJimRyan281d ago

Turn based can be good, but it's not superior as a lot of people say.

franwex281d ago (Edited 281d ago )

Literally no one has stated that about turn base. Some people simply don’t like it as much, others do.

The only RPG series that got away from it is just Final Fantasy. That’s literally it.

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Baldur's Gate 3's Side Quest Design is its Secret Weapon

With a game like Baldur's Gate 3, a number of factors make it successful—but perhaps none are as powerful as its side quest design.

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Popsicle5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Article makes a great point and I agree with it but is spoiler heavy. It should be marked. If you haven’t played through the game be warned as it even spoils parts of act 3.

Dirty_Lemons5d ago

Thanks for this dude, I am very interested in playing when I have time and am trying to avoid spoilers.

dakarli1d 13h ago

This game rocks, everything is quality, and I love the cutscenes, which remind me of Dragon Age Origin.

https://kodi.software/

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Baldur's Gate 3 PS5 Physical Deluxe Editions Delayed Due to Production Issues

While we were so hoping to not have to update owners of the console physical Deluxe Edition with any further news of delay, we’ve now run into more production issues which means that players who pre-ordered their PS5 North America copy that was expected to ship later this month, will now have to wait until July before they can get their hands on them.

shinoff21837d ago

Got that email like 2 weeks ago. Tbh I'm not tripping. I understand sht happens. I'm just glad they changed their minds on the physical release

Popsicle6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I with you. I got the email is well. Happy to eventually own a physical copy and glad it’s not digital only.

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Nothing Can Scratch A New Gamer’s Itch For Another Baldur’s Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3 is so good it might actually be a bad place to start with RPGs.

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Armaggedon7d ago

Baldurs Gate 3 was great, but I dont think it is as crazy as people make it out to be. I actually think Starfield is closer to being a crazy insane once in a lifetime game, but Im ready for the flak Im about to get.

AndrewM6d ago

If you think that then you either A never played Bg3 or B never watched anyone else play it, or C you don't know anything about the game, or D you played it and have no idea of the marvel it is in every single aspect of game design. It doesn't matter what game you compare it to, it doesn't hold a candle. Let alone starfield.

Armaggedon6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

A. Ive played it thrice
B. Played with others, so there are moments of watching
C. Know more than I would care to about the game
D.
Thats quite bold, seeing as there are an inumerable amount of games for it to contend with. I also know plenty of people with their own gripes with the game.

As someone that creates things, and has actively sought to gather intel and understanding, I would say Baldurs Gates very nature makes it so it would have a hard time sitting upon the lofty throne you have given it. Similar to a Bethesda game, it is a game with a very large number of permutations and variables to consider, despite being smaller in scale by direct comparison.

Exemplary mastery of design philosophy is more certain to appear in a game that is for confined. One of the reasons I see Starfield the way I do is simply Bethesedas approach of breaking the rules. Anyone should hopefully know that you just dont try to fit a Bethesda game into a space game, but they found a way to pull it off. Do to the nature of large scale open world games, whether it is efficient or not depends on the angle one is looking at.

Many people would tell me immediately that loading screens and empty planets prove that they failed to pull it off. If you play Starfield like a conventional game yes

Armaggedon6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Part 2:
Many people would tell me immediately that loading screens and empty planets prove that they failed to pull it off. If you play Starfield like a conventional game yes, it will seem disjointed and lazy; however, to those who realize what Bethesda were going for, you will see that the game is severely underestimated. The idea of God is hated and loved by many, and there is much controversy. Starfield is closer to that idea than people even notice.