Exposed: Natal Milo smoke and mirrors by Peter Molyneux - Gamer Blorge

Project Natal's Milo was the star of Microsoft's E3 press conference this year. The Milo demo shown via a video by Peter Molyneux surprised the audience and many gamers around the globe by the promise of what the technology could offer. Molyneux did bring a select number of journalists to demo Milo and it was found to be mostly smoke and mirrors.

[IndigoProductions]

Ouch! We all knew it was too good to be true.

[morganfell]

It was obvious. However, many of these journalists will never admit they have been had. In fact they will go out of their way to prove otherwise.

[JoySticksFTW]

I'm actually surprised this is starting to get this much attention.

Most journalists were only too happy to crown MS the now and future king of E3 and gaming for the Project Natal and Metal Gear going multi-platform announcements.

But maybe the fact that a few game journalists are actually scrutinizing this, is a sign that things are starting to turn around for gaming journalism. Maybe that money-hat, biased, fan-boy crap is finally coming to an end...

Naaaah I didn't think so either :)

@ BELOW

Will do. thanks for the heads-up!

EDIT:

Just checked it out, Parapraxis. GT said that they thought the Milo section was fake and that MS had a puppet master hidden somewhere. Bubbles up, my friend

[Parapraxis]

JoySticksFTW , watch the latest Invisible Walls ep from GameTrailers.
There are still some people out there who don't wear rose tinted glasses.

[Delive]

It took 2 times to catch it, but I could see the water move before she put her hand over there on the left. You would think they would cover that up or edit it out before showing it at (of all places) E3.

[OmarJA]

Not surprising from M$...

[eagle21]

"You've been Punked". :)

[Vecta]

WoW this is so pathetic. The video during the conference was similar to a proof of concept video for any other video game, just because it was staged doesn't mean the end product will be bad.

You know, like the original Killzone 2 trailer...

[Parapraxis]

Vecta, I remember it well. And KZ2 launched 3 years later...
Are you implying Natal is 3 years from release?
=)

[Darkeyes]

People must be really nuts to assume that such AI existed. Even huge companies like NASA are just scratching the surface in AI development and people assume that M$ suddenly comes out of nowhere and says they have the breakthrough.... A thing that will have AI better than the ones even used in space crafts for less then 100$... You must be fukin joking. The thing is a pre scripted AI.. meaning it gives general answers for everything and only logical for the ones pre written in the program. Not even a super computer has a better AI than a cokroach and 360 fanboys assume they will get a Skynet for 100$ LMAO.

This will become a serious embarrassment for M$ if this doesn't come true. Natal is not significantly different for PSEye.. Just Milo makes it special... and if Milo is a hoax, then I would be seriously pissed as a 360 gamer.

Also, the applications of Natal in Hardcore gaming is nill. Just show me a FPS being played and I am sold..If not then just fukin admit that it's for hogging money off casual gamers. This whole 'behind the doors' is bloody balls stuff. If they can make big claims, then just show the entire world how it's gonna work... and not a few journalists (being paid).

I am not interested in racers or casual games... Show me something more mainstream hardcore like shooters or fighters.... and the game should work ABSOLUTELY CONTROLLER FREE as promised... And I should not shout Move,Reload, Crouch,Left, Right and stuff to play the game... cause it will be ridiculous if it's like that.

EDIT: Oh ya... How could I forget.. Asimo.. The most advanced robot developed by Honda.. Even he can't interact with people like the videos shown.. and the thing costs millions. Ask him something out of his prewritten program and the idiot asks you to ask the question again... I am gonna love when M$ release Milo with a book the size of Yellow pages for all the commands it can process.... Man that would be a serious learning curve.

[rhood022]

I found something odd about a few of the articles praising Milo--they don't seem to have a consistent version of "Kate" in "Milo and Kate."

I've read one preview from Kotaku, one from Wired, and one from CNET and all three seem to have a different version of "what" Kate is--is she a dog or a person? Is she part of a story? Or is it something that interacts with Milo?

Each of these articles seemed to attribute one or more of the characteristics to "Kate." I just find that odd.

[ChozenWoan]

Yes, Peter Molyneux is a Sith Lord. Notice how he talks with his hands in the subtle and calming tone.

"this is not the droid your looking for... he is a real little boy."

Yes, watch the demo again. Notice how he tries to comfort you with his voice to accept Milo as something he is not. Notice how he paints fantastic pictures in your mind of how great the future with him could be. Notice how he confuses your senses.... the ones telling you Milo is just a script bot.

Hmm script bot script bot... only on xbox...
script bots script bot.... made just for x - - - s.

Yes, I too can use the Jedi mind trick to trick you into reading something I didn't even type.

[FreeMonk]

MS is not the only company to use Smoke and Mirror tactics before in there conference.

Sony used the same trick with Killzone 2, and they managed to pull of a great looking game that matched the trailer there abouts.

So the chances of MS pulling off Milo is possible, especially seeing as it's a year away from release (probably even later).

At the end of it all though, Project Natal is a great concept, but it's just another gimmick, similar to the Eyetoy, and the Wii.

[Vecta]

Parapraxis Natal isn't in question here, its the AI behind Milo...

[Serg]

I've been called a blind Sony fanboy that couldn't accept the FACT that MS is taking gaming to a whole new level because I could smell the fishy stain Milo left behind. Well, what can I say, guess my vision is in tact after all. And MS, instead of hitting a new level in gaming, they reached a new low don't you think? Sony has barely managed to get the curve by saying the 05 Killzone 2 trailer was a target render, they surpassed it. I'd like to see MS pull that off with Milo, Killzone 2 only had to show off taking advantage of processing power.

The only thing MS has to prove is the concept of near perfect voice recognition, human-like generated speech, 3D motion tracking from only 1 point of view (Well BAM there it is), deciphering emotional expression of a human face, no big deal right? This type of stuff is still SciFi material and exposing Milo is just proof of that.

[gaffyh]

Everyone with half a brain cell could see it was staged and done under perfect conditions...

[StephanieBBB]

Fanboy vision my ***. If something is fake I call it out no matter the console.

[dcbronco]

They can't believe this can be done. I don't remember this same doubt when the EyeToy was released. Funny though, the EyeToy can do most of these same things. As soon as Sony starts showing that the same doubters will suddenly become believers. We've even seen the Wii-mote reworked to do motion sensing by a guy in his apartment. But because it's Microsoft that took it in this direction instead of Sony you can't except it.

And why is it always the same sources that have the doubt. People that don't have an honest bone in their bodies. They just start nonsense pandering to the lowest common denominator to get hits on their page. I didn't read the fairytale link to this, but I already know it's Mike Ferro. I refuse to give that Ass-Clown the hit. All the stupid things being said, like NASA couldn't do AI like this, but a private company can. NASA gets most of it's technology from private companies. Do you think the military designs and makes all of their own weapons. They hire people to do it.

Peter Molyneux has been working on that AI for years. It is based on Project Dimitri that he mention 2 or 3 years ago. And at that point he was talking about breakthroughs with it. Sadly fanboys, technology moves on. If it didn't we'd still be living in caves. Some still are judging from the comments on this site sometimes. Don't attach everyone's ability to your personal shortcomings. All technology comes from somewhere.

[Serg]

The same Peter Molyneux that talked about the Fable 2 dog as if it was a real thing? The same Peter Molyneux that underperformed for years and as it seems years to come? It's not that his games aren't good, it's that his games don't deliver the stuff he keeps promising and therefore people get disappointed. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear the truth, but people have lost trust in Peter Molyneux and a fake SciFi concept of having conversations with an AI won't rebuild that trust either.

[JokesOnYou]

OK so he admits the tech demo's of Ricochet and all were working but Milo was "smoke n mirrors" because its not true AI at this point;

"He indicates that Peter Molyneux told him that Milo does not actually recognize the player’s voice but reacts to the tone of your voice. He also further explains that Milo says rudimentary open ended statements that will fit into whatever you say."

-I mean who watch that and really thought micro was saying this was a real AI boy who could act as a real boy in any situation.= NO, they were simply saying that were working on the AI tech and its possible to have a conversation with Milo. Same as the article yesterday calling it fake, if you were somehow believing this was some real life advanced AI on a console when complex and very expensive computer programs/tech don't then you were simply expecting to much. lol Natal is just the begining of whats possible with full body motion control and its working, confirmed by many sites.

JOY

[ultimolu]

And people praised Microsoft as if they invented light. -___-

Too good to be true indeed. Yeah, they won E3 with smoke/mirrors alright.

People are too gullible and ignorant these days.

[njr]

They should have announced it at next year's E3, so this Milo software can actually match things like voice recognition.

[KenAdamsNSA]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, you mean to tell me, that this one guy disproves every other journalist's comments on Natal/Milo? I think not. "Smoke and mirrors" implies that Natal is not actually a high tech piece of equipment, which it most certainly is. So if you mean to say that the complex algorithms and impressive infrared sensors are just tools of deception, you're kind of stretching the term.

Artificial intelligence isn't SMART. It isn't flexible, it isn't living, its capabilities only go so far as the developers make it. A.I. can't break those boundaries on its own. So if Lionhead has found a way to make an utterly convincing little A.I. boy with some nifty tricks, that's not smoke and mirrors, that's just smart design.

There's a difference, people. Learn a little about this stuff before buying into it wholesale.

[green]

Now who should i listen too? Gamer.blorge that where not at E3 to experience Milo first hand or IGN,Eurogamer,Joystick,Gamespo t that where actually there, interviewed Peter Mloyneaux and interacted with Milo?

Hmmm, i don't think that question is to hard to answer.

[TheTwelve]

Green, your disagrees disagree with you.

Please know that quite often, the small voices are the only ones telling the truth.

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[morganfell]

As Parapraxis said, listen to Gametrailers Invisible Walls that actually played Natal:

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[lokin]

is blogger sites getting a foothold in n4g? wasnt this covered yesterday already? some say its the only real gaming jurnos out there but i call bs.... gaming bloggers like this fool has shown he actually is a fanboy at heart. how many negative things did gamer.blorge actually cover from the sony side? smoke and mirrors? fake? exposed? the only thing that has been exposed is that sony/nintendo has a serious contender in the social crowd to contend with.

[JokesOnYou]

Its the same regurgitated news from yesterday, lol.

It just doesn't make sense to on one hand be accused of a elaborate scheme to fool people that Milo is this "OMG super advanced AI" as some try to say it was his made out to be but on the other hand you tell journalist (people who are going to write about it) that:

"Milo does not actually recognize the player’s voice but reacts to the tone of your voice. Milo says rudimentary open ended statements that will fit into whatever you say."=

Yep and thats exactly what the recorded demo with the girl shows, surely its natural to wonder just HOW ADVANCED the AI is and thats exactly why #1 they let journalist interact with it and #2 he said the AI is only sophisticated enough at this point to react to the tone of your voice, responding with rudimentary open ended statements.= Which IS remarkable only because nothing else on consoles is capable of even that level of AI.

If Molyneux was trying to fool everybody, why would he admit this and much less let people interact with it at E3? Also Natal & Milo are two different things.

JOY

[ShabzS]

this is the same as yesterday... THIS IS NOT AI... have you read kotakus impression of the milo demo ... they explained it best .... its a preprogrammed library of responces all which initiate after natal recognises the TONE of ur voice... thats what eurogamers had ....

milo doesnt understand the joke... he responded to ur joke with a giggle becoz... natal recognizes the TONE OF UR voice.. the painting from the demo .. molenuex said that they never show the painting back to you ... coz natal only recognises the coulour and size of the paper.. it scans the colour and size of the paper ... and thats what milo responds to ... "i love orange!"

again the kotaku impressions .. the journalist had the colour of his shirt recognised .. which was blue .. natal recognises the colour and has milo say the colour .. which is responded from its preprogrammed audio library ...

the funny thing is that the immersion is so good that u keep calling it for AI...

argh only on n4g

[Sarcasm]

Is it really that hard to believe, that the only thing Milo recognizes is "Voice Tone"

Here's a funny video I imagine would happen with Milo.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[pwnzter]

C'mon guys. Its Peter Molyneux were talking about. You know, the guy that promised us Fable 2 was gonna be ZOMG, EPIC, WOW, HOLY SHYT. Though in the end, all we got was an OK game. Even though the first Fable was better than the second, he hyped the first as much as the second. I can see he's doing the same with Natal and boy I'm sure a lot of xbox fans are gonna be pissed off when Natal is released. Its happened twice already at the hands of Peter, I can guarantee you all it'll happen again.

[phosphor112]

Anyone who knows anything about programming knows this. It won't work. You will need a "genetic" algorithm to learn what to say, how to come about things, etc etc. Either that or have the developer to record every single word in existence, know the meaning of them, and a way to blend words. It wont work.

I can go on and on about why it wont work, so for right now, I'll leave it as it is, but if you need more of an elaboration, i can give you one.

[Why dis]

Looks like we're going to get one of these forced denial comfort sore loser articles every day until Sony comes out with something close to Natal from PS3 fanboys and Wii fanboys. The AI in Natal software gives the illusion Milo's smart thats all that was shown or ever said. PS3 fanboys and pro Sony media created talking points by putting words into MSFT's mouth so that they can discredit the tech. MSFT never said Natal was a super computer only that its a tool that can bring interactive gaming to new hights.

[Serg]

I like Sony a lot, but if you think I would go nuts over a Sony-Milo so to speak, wait for the day they announce one and watch me go after them for that.

[xwabbit]

Ah was awaiting for why this 2 lough, thx bro rlly needed it 4 2day. Now we see 360 fans trying to change it, well off course it wasn't real AI I MEAN DUH, they didn't say this b4 tho

[All-3]

http://www.edge-online.com/...

QUESTION: What are the main tricks that you’re using?

Molyneux: There are hundreds of little tiny tricks. How he looks at the camera, whether he looks directly at the camera or slightly off. The amount of twitches in his face. The interesting thing is this uncanny valley and how we’re breaking through it. People who experience Milo really go away believing they can talk to him. It was really funny when we were showing the journalists at the show – a lot of them try to engage Milo in a proper conversation, partly because they thought ‘My God, this is it – we’ve got something we can really talk to,’ and partly because the tricks we were using pulled them into the conversation. We’re building up a profile of the emotion in your voice so we know when your voice is strained or excited or calm or passive. That coupled with Milo’s vocabulary of words he understands and what he’s doing on screen creates this illusion – and I’m not pulling any wool over people’s eyes – the illusion that Milo understands and is sentient. And couple that with really cheeky tricks that we’re using. For example, Milo will download dialogue very regularly behind the scenes which updates his database with current events. So, if Britain’s Got Talent is on, he’ll comment on certain acts, so that makes him feel so relevant and real that you start believing it, even if you’re a skeptic.

QUESTION: Some accounts on the internet have claimed there were people with controllers around the back of the demonstrations. Have the people that have played over the last day or so purely been interfacing with the machine?

Molyneux: You’ve got to remember that this is very, very new tech, and quite often we need to reboot the machine, so there’s someone in the back in case something goes wrong. There’s no cheating, absolutely not. I thought actually, when they were there, ‘Oh my God, it’s going to look like there’s a puppeteer in the background,’ but there’s not, absolutely not.

Molyneux never denied that Milo uses "tricks" ... in the interview quoted from above... he even talks about them!

[caladbolg777]

Gametrailers "Invisible Walls" Episode 60:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

View "Episode 60" Special E3 edition.

IMO, they are pretty much spot-on.

[sayedstafa]

It's still nothing that we haven't seen before in games. Look at Seaman, you talked to him and he responded. Or more recently, Nintendogs, they have voice recognition as well. The concept of Milo is just a human version of a neopet.

[heroicjanitor]

Who apparently "couldn't see" the big flaws in that trailer yesterday, why are you still defending milo? They wouldn't have faked the trailer if it was working, and they wouldn't have asked the "select few"(shows their reluctance to show it live) to only ask it certain questions, meaning it can recognize basic speech tones. I'm still impressed with natal, but milo is clearly nowhere near a working state and they pretended that it works, which is very underhanded.

[Blitzed]

That the same fanboys defending this are the same fanboys that were calling out Sony for the KZ2 target render in 05.

Your all a bunch of sad little hypocrites with no strength of character. If you feel its wrong for these presentations to be deceptive, it shouldn't make a difference from where, when and who the deception originated.

Grow a set of nuts.

[menoyou]

Microsoft video game department is the king of marketing. They know that they can lie to everyone around the world by showing this off at E3, and make them all really impressed and create buzz for the 360, while only .0001% of the world will know the truth posted here on N4G.

Pure genius. Sony needs to hire that guy.

[Kushan]

People are getting several issues confused here:

Milo, AI, Natal and Voice Recognition.

Natal is the technology for tracking movement from users in 3D space. It has nothing to do with voice recognition or Artificial Intelligence. Milo is supposedly a tech demo of what you could use this technology for but despite it being "smoke and mirrors", the only bits relating to this are voice recognition and AI. The technology behind Natal is still sound and clearly works. Don't let Molyneux's poor excuse for a demonstration put you off Natal.

[heroicjanitor]

These xbox heads keep defending what microsoft did with milo by just saying "lol at ps3 fanboys who are jealous of natal". Nobody is saying natal won't be good, they are just disgusted at microsoft for the milo trailer in which they said "it is real and it works today".

[SaberEdge]

Once again many of the PS3 fanboys on this site reveal just how dishonest and ignorant they are.

Of course it is "smoke and mirrors", it is whole bunch of cool tech brought together to give the illusion of life. If you had read even a single article or interview with Peter Molyneux you would know this. In a sense, illusion is what all interactive entertainment (video games) is about.

The fact that some people are going "ah ha, I caught you, Milo isn't a real conscious AI being that can be conversed with in infinite ways" shows how completely detached from reality they are. It is simply laughable that they ever thought Milo was supposed to be a sentient AI. You guys really reveal the measure of your intellect there.

The technology behind Milo is real and it does a better job at creating the illusion of being able to converse with a computer AI than anything that has come before it. That alone is enough to get excited about.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

LMAO! A blog? Sony fans are desperately trying.

[y0haN]

Molyneux invented dogs, you know.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Pika-pie]

First I thought theres no way that MS would stage this... But then I think of the things they have done a past E3s, such as scripted ad-hoc conversations. Live celeb gamers showing reaction to playing a game for the first time, when infact they are reading from a script.

This could be a step to far if true.

It would be as bad as the infamous KZ2-E305 Demo. But wait, that turned out well for Sony.. Interesting thought.

[cmrbe]

it dosen't matter.

Project Natal recaptured the imagination of people of having an interface like in Minority Report/Iron Man.

Its great and all but when it comes to real world gaming application, its i s very ,very limited like Sony found out last gen with the PS Eye. It was a cool tech that was ahead of its time but ultimately its penetration and use will be very small.

There is a reason why Nin pass on Natal tech. For one, Nin knew it would have been expensive and 2 most people still can not envisioned gaming without an input device like they learned from the PS Eye.

Input less device gaming (gaming without a controller) will not be as important until we get into VR which is still a long way ahead.

[Dir_en_grey]

but I don't get why people were so amazed even if it were true (I don't think it's FAKE per say).
There are several games that are like these before. Natal are the same as the Eye Toy games, and the voice recognition in Natal is in DS's brain training game right? There are games like Milo on the PS2 called Seaman and Seaman 2, I bet there are some PC games that did the same. So Natal and Milo are just pretty much the combination of Eye toy and Seaman.
I just don't think it's something so revolutionary that blows the mind, just some improvements over what we've seen before.
Improvements of what has been existed before doesn't mean it's bad either, since that's pretty much the normal thing to do.

Seaman:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Only gameplay I could find on Seaman 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Grandizer]

"1.8 -
Vecta, I remember it well. And KZ2 launched 3 years later...
Are you implying Natal is 3 years from release? "

Natal is probably inbound for next year.
Milo though will probably need 2 more years after that.

[Syronicus]

Is this what E3 brings out in the big three? Lies and deception? I certainly hope not. I love E3 for the great games and if these games become lies then what's the point?

[solidt12]

I was never excited with Natal. It is the same as the PSeye. Sony added motion control to the PSeye and gave real world demonstration which showed everything that developers need to no without deceiving. Sony FTW.

[Matpan]

@ Vecta

HAHAAHAHAHAHA this is GREAT! just GREAT!!! I mean REALLY look. Everybody bashing MS is getting Agrees by the dozens. NO this guys Does say MS is lying, and compares this "concept" video to the old E3 prerendered KZ2 trailer that guerrilla made us believe was realtime when it was not... and Voila!!! 42 disagrees!!!!

Really people. You need to get you heads out of your a$$es... If you are out here blaming MS for scamming the audience you might VERY well accept what sony did with that trailer back then. Let´s at least not be hypocrits. Please.

This just shows how Sony fanboys are swarming any 360 related news these days.

[Tito Jackson]

Thought it worked fine. So did gizmodo. Maybe this guy just cant wrap his mind around it yet.

[Face Palm]

I was suspicious the moment he came on screen. Remember he's the same guy that literally said that the AI dog in Fable II is "The most sophisticated AI in the history of man" ROFL! That dog's AI was average at best! He's always lying. He made 1,000 lies about Fable 1 too. He makes these over the top embellishments and then exaggerates them.

[dragonyght]

that not gonna end well

[morganfell]

That depends if you like the flavor of truth.

[Perjoss]

who gives a toss really,
even if project Milo was the real deal I still think the Sony motion controller demo @ e3 was far more impressive anyway.

[SaberEdge]

Morganfail is the last person I would listen to if I wanted the truth.

[morganfell]

I am putting you on ignore king dong because you refuse to read what I wrote so I will refuse to read anything you have to say. Twist in the wind from now on.

[Omega4]

The jealously of PS3 fanboys knows no bounds it seems. Maybe when they finally have something worth talking about on their console they will finally leave Natal alone.

Till then all you guys can do is gaze upon its greatness

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

I don't know one real gamer who has any interest in natal...it looks gimmicky and limited

[Parapraxis]

"Till then all you guys can do is gaze upon its greatness "
I agree.

*gazes amorously @ PS3*

[blind-reaper]

yeah jealous that we can't interact with a little virtual boy.

[mastiffchild]

Oh chaps! Lets not do this eh? Fact is the stage show(which is all the vast majority of us have seen or will see for a long time)was impressive but also riddled with little inconsistancies where it did look like there was acting and pre recorded stuff going on.

Whatever, we won't KNOW either way til we get to, not just look at, but play around with this stuff for ourselves and I think it would be prudent to wait for then to judge cos as a demo the Milo stuff was the least convincing motion controlled thing at E3-pirely because we can't tell just how well, or if, it works yet while the other demos were totally real time from what you could see.

Lets wait to kill or crown Milo shall we?

[Parapraxis]

"Lets wait to kill or crown Milo shall we? "
Tell that to MS and half of the gaming media sites who have already crowned Milo.

[Awesome Possum]

So if you doubt Milo you're a fanboy? Well if you read Penny Arcade they said that they doubt it.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

what does it offer for halo,cod4&6,mass effect,fable fans....just tell me...if i wanted that kinda crap i would play wii fit

[Omega4]

I just cant believe you guys find it soooo amazing that you find it hard to believe that full body motion control is possible

This is 2009 you know, maybe you should try and expand your horizons and imaginations it will do wonders for you all ;)

[callahan09]

It's comments like this that make me seriously wonder why the open zone even exists if they're not going to do anything to keep this talk out of the gamer zone. Natal is impressive, but it will also be expensive and I've seen no interesting GAMES that utilize it so far, so my interest is merely tickled, not anything to get too excited about yet, especially considering it's very far from a release. Implying that the PS3 has absolutely nothing worthwhile is not gamer zone language.

[Awesome Possum]

You do know this article is about Milo and not Natal right?

[Parapraxis]

"I just cant believe you guys find it soooo amazing that you find it hard to believe that full body motion control is possible "

Hmmm... no I only doubt how good the voice recognition is.
Which i'm right to as it DOES NOT recognize words only tones.

As for "doubting" full body control.
You're an idiot, Eye Toy and the PS eye have been doing it for years.

[Monkey D Luffy]

Omega4, though many of the people that argue about how real and genuine Milo are fanboys i've been reading a lot of your comments and your a fanboy aswell

[Delive]

But DON'T fake it and tell me it's real. Don't blow smoke in my face and hype something that won't be ready for several years. As an example, Killzone 2 did this. Pre-rendered CG trailers to hype a game. When it finally did come out, It was great. Maybe when the tech for Milo comes out, it will do like KZ2 and exceed the expectations it set. Even then though, I have kids of my own and find it creepy playing and spending time with a little boy who is not related to me. Sounds like a Pedophiles dream come true.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Greatness?

A few friends of mine who are 360 owners yesterday were talking about it.

These are there exact words

"Damn that is F#@%ing creepy as hell. Who would want to have a little kid in their game? Maybe they took his soul out"

Then we continued to have a conversation about how they learned to remove souls from people and place them in consoles.

Omega, you truely speak for yourself.

[juandren]

You are clearly a bit of an idiot, or you have never tried Speech Recognition on MICROSOFT Windows XP or Vista.

Do yourself a favour and try to get it to type one sentence right. I can speak in the clearest tone humanly possible, and still my "Hello" quickly turns into "and to".

My experience with Voice Recognition on Vista has made me doubt Natal more than I doubt me being able to jump fifty feet high.

[skatezero246]

sorry dude don't care if natal succeeds or fails .... my eyes are glued to games like god of war 3, the last guardian, heavy rain, uncharted 2, and Final Fantasy versus 13 .... all exclusive

[Genesis5]

What surprises me the most Omega4 is the blind loyalty the 360 fans turn toward MS. What anybody with an unbiased opinion can see seems to disappear when you buy an xbox 360.

[Nathan123]

Oh No... Look at what you have done M$...I hate you... Look at what you have done to poor Omega4. Made him BLIND!!! BLIND I tell ya. Just imagine the disappointment when Natal doesn't deliver on his innocent little creepy face. FVCK YOU M$ FVCK YOU.... Enchanting poor gamers mind.

[raztad]

@delive

You talk like KZ2 is the only game using CGI to get people hyped. As far as I know that is a common practice, what makes KZ2 standout is the fact that it promised (target renders) and delivered CGI like visuals.

Its embarrassing to make fake (pretending they are the real deal) showcases just to "win" E3.

[ultimolu]

I'm jealous of a something like that when I could be playing games and enjoying myself with a regular controller that doesn't have smoke/mirrors attached to it?

Oh please Omega. Every time someone speaks against Natal, 360 fanboys always assume people are jealous.

Good grief, you guys are unbelievable.

[Oner]

Just another case of MS trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes as usual

RROD/RLOD
E74
Disc Scratching
LIVE! Fees
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows ME
Vista
Zune
etc.
etc.
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[cereal_killa]

"yeah jealous that we can't interact with a little virtual boy."

Now Cliffy B. has someone he can play with that wont call the cops on him I KID I KID!!!!!

[Godmars290]

All I know is that 360 fanboys have latched onto the "potential" of their console where they once endlessly teased PS3 fanboy about theirs.

Forget that they're happily jumping on the motion control bandwagon that once was only Nintendo's "joke."

@cereal_killa
But all PS3 fanboys can look forward to touching their virtual monkeys!

[name]

Leave natal alone!

[Grandizer]

Most journalists I read (IGN, Games Radar, gamestop...) that tried Milo were pretty impressed even if it is clearly in a pre alpha stage.

I am not sure why bloggers from C section sites get so much credit over here.

[Delive]

No, Sorry about the confusion. I was using KZ2 as an example because it was the biggest example of this in recent history and it did a perfect job of exceeding expectations. That's all.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Sony owners needing something to talk about? LOL! We are too busy playing games to be wasting our time on a cho mo project like Natal.

[NegativeCreepWA]

Apparently your not that busy.

[Arnon]

owned.

[AbdullaMTR]

lol

[Montreafart]

Owned xbots. Just owned.

"but, but, but Microsoft has changed gaming forever"

No, they just made a fool out of you. Haha desperate xbot fanboys are easy to fool.

Underwhelming games, big pressure to deliver, competitor bringing biggest E3. All these factors and several more, leads to the biggest facade and lie of the year: the MS E3 conference.

Shiatload of "credible gaming sites" claiming how MS "won". I wasnt aware you can win something with lies now.

Just goes to show you how biased these people really are. They tell us they are objective but deep down in their hearts, MS can do no wrong and deep down, they just want MS to win and Sony to fail.

But guess fking what, that aint happening. I mean just look at MSs E3 conference. What the hell is that? Paul McGartney? Steven Spielberg? Wtf are we watching an Oscar Nomination or something? I thought this was E3. How is gaming related to Steven Spielberg? Use your head man, MS just hired some "celebs" to fool you around.

I have heard "credible" journalist say how MS had the "slickest" presentation. WTF? Is this still the gaming industry or what? CONTENT is what matters. I watch because I want to know what the system is OFFERING in terms of future and games. Not to watch some jimbo movie director who is irrelevant nowadays.

How the hell can you win with being "slick"? How is "slick" even relevant? How is slick going to help me get content on my system. How is it even equal to hours of fun on a system? Slick? Can you eat that? I want GAMES. GAMES and fking games. Thats all I care about. This IS the gaming industry, isnt it?

Hahaha EXPOSED like the xliars that you are.

[AngryTypingGuy]

And what did Sony show that was so new besides their dildo sticks? Are you upset little boy because Natal is so groundbreaking and it's only on the 360? Natal won't be released until next year. It will be even better by that time. Did you see the videos of the celebs playing it? Seeing is believing.

Making fools? Sony is the one notorious for showing these incredible looking CGI trailers years before a game comes out, only to have disappointing, dumbed down graphics as a final product.

[ultimolu]

You idiot, they're prototypes. That's not even the final product.

And wow...you're having a nervous breakdown there. Should I gather some tissues for your eyes there buddy?

Now, if you'll excuse me I must continue my quest to beat RE5 in Professional mode with a friend.

[Why dis]

That tech isn't fake PS3 fanboys put words into MSFT's mouth saying milo was real AI so they could discredit MSFT. The point of the milo video/demo was to show how Natal's AI in its software could bring immersive characters to life giving the illusion its alive and smart.

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[Chubear]

..iz teh emotions"

[Chuvanes]

lol fakeass milo

[derseb]

sure the tech isn't fake. it's the same tech we know from the PSEye or karaoke games (tone of voice).

hundreds of scientists try to make perfect voice recognition for years. if you really believe MS can do that for a stupid gaming console, you must be crazy!

[AngryTypingGuy]

@ultimolu -"You idiot, they're prototypes. That's not even the final product.

And wow...you're having a nervous breakdown there. Should I gather some tissues for your eyes there buddy?"

That may be so, but it still looks like what you use to pleasure yourself to pictures of naked men.

Nervous? Over douches on a message board? Have fun playing your PS3, I'll take my 360, thank you very much.

[LTC]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I'm glad this POS is not on the PS3, it would have been embarrasing.

[gambare]

if it were on PS3 then it would be real

[jeseth]

That was the most embarrasing moment of E3!

Hilarious, every time.

[toxic27]

http://www.vimeo.com/495262...

[SpoonyRedMage]

Peter never said it was advanced AI. Why is everyone jumping at it and saying "FAKE" when it wasn't meant to be real.

It gives the illusion that it's real and that's what it's meant to do, it also seems to do it quite well as all these sites think they're master detectives by finding out that it's an sentient being. Dear god.

Molyneux is the one who explained that it recognises tone and certain phrases but not exactly what you say etiehr.

[Parapraxis]

And the person controlling the AI from behind the curtain?
What's their role in this "convincing illusion" ?

[SpoonyRedMage]

You mean the f*cking programmer!? It's actually quite simple. Check out the Scribblenauts Game for the DS, it's the same concept.

It recognises words and has programmed responses.

Seriously you Sony trolls are pathetic...

Have you noticed the guy in the article has no evidence either? he's just saying it but you take it as face value because you're desparate to believe that it's not real.

@V: That's exactly what it is, it's a natural evolution of the concept but the point is that it was extremely convincing. Especially considering this "reveal" is such a big deal.

[Awesome Possum]

Yeah it is kind of like that old game Seaman. It would only respond to simple sentences.

[freitax]

I think he comes bundled with the game, imagine that..a game + a real live person now that is true value!

[Biphter]

That Sega were doing stuff like this 10 years ago with titles like Seaman but never really got recognised back then. You could even say that the old DC fishing reel was a bit like the wii-mote. Sega released lots and lots of amazing peripherals and brought about some brilliant ideas.

Natal is a great idea, but I think because Microsoft have "invented" this new thing they sensationalise far above and beyond what it really is right now. Why did they bother showing it in such an early state? Because they had nothing else really amazing to show.

Its the first time Sony REALLY came out with all the stops and showed a BUCKET LOAD of games which not even the Microsoft "Exclusive" Metal Gear Solid Rizing could douse. If anyone showed their motion sensing tech early it was Microsoft, they just prepared their presentation whereas Sony had to counteract with a last minute unplanned showing of their tech to try and not get outdone.

[Godmars290]

He was strongly indicating that he was without saying so. That at best he was making a simulated AI and putting it on the market.

[NegativeCreepWA]

The possibilities of Natal completely blows my mind. But at the same time its one of those things that seems to good to be true, and ill have to wait until its finished to make a real opinion of it.

[LastDance]

I think it has some interesting possibilities as well however, I do not like it how people are saying "gaming has just changed forever" because at this point, it is only a gimmic and something that will be fun to show your friends for the first month. but after that your left with what?

Id rather use a steering wheel or control to drive a car game. I assume every1 else is the same?

It would be cool to be able to flick through menus and other such things but that's about it.

That football kicking game reminded me of the eye toy ninja fighting game...whats the big deal?

[MGOelite]

isnt this illegal? its basically advertising some thing whats never gonna get released

end of the day its showing a false product and everyones saying it stolen e3...

[Montreafart]

A year from now when the product is out and is not doing what had been promised, noone would remember E3. Sony won this E3 hands down, but 6 months from now, people will still say MS "won".

Just like what they did with MGS4. "Dont buy a PS3 cos MGS4 will come to the 360"

Why you think so many rumors started around MGS4. The sole purpose was to NOT let PS3 have a momentum and it worked. To this day, there are still retards around saying they are waiting for MGS4 and other Sony games to come to 360.

[PStu'rd]

Damn right this should be illegal. Hovewer sony should have been closed down after faking their entire 05 e3 conference yet nobody did anything so i doubt anyone is gonna bother over just one product. So unfair

[Finalfantasykid]

Its probably legal as long as the product is not out yet. Microsoft in there defence would probably just say that the product is not out yet and it was just an idea about what might be possible given the right software.

[AngryTypingGuy]

There's a lot of time left until it's released. Let's see what happens down the road with it, you may or may not be surprised.

[bigjclassic]

Ms is known for "shady marketing" and this should not be a surprise
to anyone. But it makes me wanna get the EyePet, imho.

[Godmars290]

Yeah, the only thing cooler would be is if the eyepet had an out of game application. Hung around in the XMB or could be taken into Home. Could crawl onto your lap or shoulder instead of just playing on the floor.

[mrv321]

Can everyone just shut up. Please, escpecially you Omega.

I told you so, when Microsoft proves me wrong I'll admitt it but c'mon guys you'd have to be stupid to think Peter MonoGod! was saying the truth.

I've said time and time again how Milo might not be real, it's too good to be true, and that the video they showed WAS scripted.
'Apparently, Natel is not capable of voice recognition currently but in theory only.'

In theory, heck according to a theory everything you imagine is a theory. Oh and yeah, I was just on my PS3 and guess what. Yeah that's right it has facial regonition, it can tell if a person is happy or not. Why didn't Sony make a big deal of this as Microsoft seems to be shouting from what ever outlet they can find trying to avoid gamers genuinely looking at there line-up of true exclusive. SO yeah, while you fiddle around with an inaccurate racing game using Natal I'll be playing on with a wheel. And while you look like a moron attempting to play an FPS using Natal by running at the stop or what ever, I'll still be using my analogues, maybe even alongside I don't know PSmotion.

And that paper thing, with Milo wasn't that cool him regonitising a drawing reminds me of eyepet where your monkey reacts to your drawing but hey, no one wants to take away Microsofts hype.

Lower your hype and how can you be dissapointed?

[Spike47]

As a gamer, if I was as blind as some of the journalists and fans, I would see Natal as the next big thing, so I can play Halo:reach without a controller or fight in the UFC games and whatnot.

Obviously, that is not the case, but I'm sure MS would like you to believe that.

[SpoonyRedMage]

You know what's hilarious? How the Sony fanboys flip flop between

"The PSeye can do all this" and "It's FAKE!"

Make your god damn minds up.

@V: If you noticed, it says Natal in the title and talks about Natal!

[Parapraxis]

If you think Sony fans are "flopping", you must be a fish out of water.

We're laughing at the fact that this tech is being hailed as game-changing and revolutionary, when many of us knew all along it's nothing new.

This is the first Natal article I have commented on in any extent FYI.
And I laughed at Natal when I watched the presser. I was very shocked at the reaction of most other people who must have goldfish-like short memories.

hmm...again with the fish.

[Awesome Possum]

This article is not about Natal. It's about Milo so please stop going off topic.

[MriownBOTH]

everyone else is laughing at sony wii-sticks LOL

[mrv321]

If you watched the show this was about then you'd know it's infact about Milo :P, which last I checked my reply was about, and last I checked yours wasn't you didn't say Milo once, you didn't even talk about Natal. Ironic.

PSmotion can do some of the stuff, for example the paper detection things BUT Milo is either fake or smoke and mirrors which means it's fake. So please remind me what did I say that was soo wrong?

Natal looks good, but the current game applications are FAR less that PS motion.

Milo seems faked, simply put why is there paper next to the tv in the trailer for something non scripted what's the random piece of paper doing.

Here's a question if a RPG is coming at you in COD 4 do you duck? I don't, so why does this woman catch some pretend goggles and jump off a pretend cliff I know I wouldn't.

[lancer8869]

You all know so much because you've all played it, right? Oh wait..... EDIT: how do yyou disagree with a FACT?

[mrv321]

Here's a question. Where the jews put into concetration camps? Yes. But where you there, you see. I like many other people have seen all or most of the public and we can talk about the stuff we saw. If microsoft shows us something then sure I'm willing to believe it but it's not loigcal to jump or catch imaginary goggles, I can tell the difference between gaming and real life ESPECIALLY when it's not instinct based.

If I play a horror game sometimes I jump, it's insctint something scary= a reaction and a quick one, while ctaching if it's truely natural this woman would jump, those goggles are a threat. We train ourselves to catch a ball we convince ourself that the ball is a not a threat this allows us to think about our reaction, this woman knew the goggles where coming and could accurately catch them. And that jumping thing was SOOO fake. When ever you get knocked out in a game you don't ACUTALLY lean to one side now. You simply keep watching.

[PStu'rd]

Woah now thats a relief. This was a set in stone HOME like embarrassment/failure in the making so glad its fake. MSs conference is now officially PERFECT!!

[NegativeCreep427]

Will somebody put this retard out of his misery already?

[Narutone66]

to wipe that turd off your natal hole.*take a bubble*

[Parapraxis]

Also people, like this MS rep Creative Director Kudo Tsunoda claiming that Natal gives higher fidelity controls and a 1:1 control over your avatar are full of it.
I'm sure we can all agree that this
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
does not look 1:1... unless the guy controlling the avatar is a contortionist.

[N2NOther]

Wow, just wow.

Are the lot of you that bored with your console of choice in that you have no games you could be playing rather than come here and get involved in this crap?

Obviously it's a Proof of Concept type thing. I never once believed that it was all done on the up and up. But get this, WAY back in the day, the Wright Brothers had this wacky idea about flying machines being possible and even showed off their ideas. Not all of the worked as well as they pitched, but the concept was there and it was obviously sound.

Part of me has to wonder how much the roles would be reversed if it was Sony pitching something like this instead of their motion controller. I'm sure MS fanboys would be saying dumb things and the Sony fanboys would be praising it.

Take a step back and gain some perspective on things. You all might find that what matters is that you love gaming. Maybe I'm just a dreamer.

[aldesko]

Sony did pitch something like this over 3 years ago... it was called the playstation eye. It has a camera and microphone and is capable of tracking in 3d spaces and voice recognition.

[N2NOther]

The mic was for communication, not voice recognition and let's look at how well they've implemented it into their game since? Oh wait, they didn't and now they have a whole new motion controller. Gotta love product support, huh?

[pwnsause]

"Oh wait, they didn't and now they have a whole new motion controller. Gotta love product support, huh?"

yea, got to love product support alright, like the video shown at E3 this year supports what you said....right....

it would be funny if the system gets that Rumored XMB connect update this year just for the lulz.

just like the Natal, the PS eye can do voice recognition as well. all you need is to have that Mic activated and of course a firmware update which activates these features.

What did you think that this is hard to achieve on a console? that technology has been around for years. Even the N64 even pulled that stunt off with "Hey You Pikachu" remember?

[Shadow Man]

WTF? is wrong with people MGS is comming to my 360 like I dream, and that all it matters. *bu but kojima is not directing it and is also on ps3* I don't care mgs is comming to my 360 :D

[pwnsause]

sad thing is, its not MGS4 and the game is a spin off. Kojima gave the 360 a sh!t game while he gave PSP owners proper sequel to MGS3, a sequel he is working on, and not with MGS:R.

Not to mention the PS3 still gets to keep MGS4, the greatest game of this generation :D

[cereal_killa]

how could you dream of a game that was never in existence you Muppet's wanted MGS4 and all you get is a multi-plat spin off that Kojima himself doesn't even care about.

and this game should be called MGR it has nothing to do with Solid Snake that game belongs to and will always belong to the PS3.

"Solrid Snake I never said anything about Solrid Snake" classic quote from M$ press conference.

[gambare]

"Shadow Man - 2 hours ago
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WTF? is wrong with people MGS is comming to my 360 like I dream, and that all it matters. *bu but kojima is not directing it and is also on ps3* I don't care mgs is comming to my 360 :D "

is NOT directed by Kojima, so you are only having an empty MGS... or "we" because it's not exclusive

[Javier19]

Ah screw it all, screw Natal, screw sonys motion sh*t

Im just going to stick with honest to good, controler to hand gaming.

[poeo]

my 2 cents:

i believe this is one of those "the truth is in the middle" things. it's not quite as amazing as Molyneux touts it to be, but it's not as fake as some think it is.

we'll see.

[dogmeat eater]

Oh well, this wouldn't make a gaming experience any more fun.

[Socomer 1979]

Are you guys winded yet? Xbots are having thier egos checked like clockwork since E309.
Sh1T dudes, all they have is halo for real.

No real Exclusives = No Games.
You've been warned & now the xbox360 transformation is complete.
Its a toybox for kids.

[Shadow Man]

I can careless if this is real or fake.

People like you that keep talking about milo and natal are giving a big favor to advertisers, your spreeding the word making natal popular. So thank you.

[Arnon]

Lol yeah... that's why the Xbox 360 will be receiving more games this year than the PS3.

[NegativeCreep427]

LOL! Story of Microsoft's Life!

@ Arnon

Are you purposely trying to become the new sh*t-headed PP clone or is there something genuinely stupid with you? were you born backwards out of your mother's womb or something?

[dogmeat eater]

makes me want to do a GOW 3 head rip on him. http://n4g.com/events_e3200...

[MriownBOTH]

lol gamerblorge.....lets all believe ready go!!

[ak1200]

every xbot i knew jumped on this cr4p like it was the second coming omg !!! EPIC FAIL . Ugly looking add on to add to the allready existing tech i have (wii&eyetoy). So the preview vids were fake an had sync issues XBOX you just got NUKED.

[Socomer 1979]

This has to be the most irrelevant e3 conference in history.
Edge online saw microsofts conference & declared them the winner without even waiting to see nintendo or Sony's show. I'm serious, check it out!

When I saw project natal & milo I was laughing & I couldn't believe that the gaming media wasn't disgusted.
I guess they were starstruck as they abadoned journalism to get a celebrities autograph. Why would they even look at nintendo or Sony when they can suck on Paul mcCartney's balls right? LOL!
Now we can seperate the real gamers from the pretenders much more easily.

They say m$ won because they made it a magic show. They pulled a bunny out of YOUR a$$.
I knew that when 360 gamers had the gold dust wiped out of thier eyes they would have to ask themselves okay what now? Imagine the moment they realized that they still have no new games. Ouch. That's gotta hurt when your a stupid fanboy that's needs something to brag about after just talking about sales for 6 months.

I do only just mean xbots. If you're a 360 gamer who doesn't give a fck about this dumb sh1t & is happy to just play whatever you get then more power to you. It's going to get real fun around here on n4g all the till the holidays.
Ps3 fans are going to rule supreme all thanks to M$ selling out thier extreme fans ha ha ha!

[ak1200]

My vote goes to sonys tech ,fair enuff tha demo was a bit hammy but id rather include myself in games instead of some drawn up avatar. the motion , sound , and voice tech not new at all

[ApocalypseShadow]

microsoft knew coming into E3 this year that they had better wow the public because sony was going to present games,games,GAMES.and microsoft had only a few.

they skipped GDC,they pretty much skipped CES,they skipped the tokyo game show,they skipped the last liepzig....they had NOTHING.if 360 gamers had to wait 6 months just to see something tangible for the winter,then there was a lack of games coming from microsoft.

microsoft saw EYEPET last year and thought,"sony has got some real neat sh!t coming.""we had better do something.so what did they do:they tasked peter m. to create the smoke and mirror thing.but instead of a pet as peter has always done with animals,he was given the task of beating that with a human.

but what do we hear from everyone that has met milo,they had to stay with the script and not deviate from what they saw from microsoft.it's fAKE.it's that simple.i know 360 fans want to hold onto the LIE as they always do,but it's the truth.milo as of now is FAKE.

see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

this is MICROSOFT SURFACE.now ask yourself,"how many families have microsoft surface in their house?commercial looks great.but the only people i see using this tech is new crews at CNN and FOX news with MAPS.but no surface computers are at retailers as we speak.one big lie.because it's not practical.and can be beaten with this from MIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

watch the whole video.it kicks microsoft's surface's @ss for a whole lot less money.$300 fricken dollars as opposed to thousands.

playstation fans have played camera games in the past on ps2.and some on ps3.we know good and well sony can pull off what natal is doing.360 fans just need something to hold onto as they have very little and are easily a gullible community."it's a moving target says peter."you get a 3 year warranty says microsoft."...what's wrong with it?"....who cares right?"....you get a 3 year warranty and a coffin to send it back."

totally a gullible community that will believe ANYTHING YOU TELL THEM.ANYTHING YOU SHOW THEM.

sad really.course,what more sad is WHY DIS/bladestar multiple accounts.or should i say "the real why dis?

apocalypse..........

[dogmeat eater]

I mean natal is just an eye toy pretty much. Milo is the fake one. I knew milo was all BS when I first seen it.

[ak1200]

well said Socomer 1979

[Bigpappy]

natal is the camera's man motion control with voice commands. milo is the game being developed by lionhead's peter Molyneux.

[Ninjamonkey]

well it was never going to be real...

I mean we'd never seen that kind of tech before.

But is this any worse than sony showing CGI for future games and not real footage? not really...

Just like Killzone 2 maybe that video was to show what they are aiming for.

[dogmeat eater]

Milo is not real at all.

[Ninjamonkey]

And how do you know that milo wont be like that when released???

When we saw KZ2's CG video they didnt have a proper build either, just a vision of what they wanted the final product to be.

This is what Milo is.

Abd to say it compleltely doesnt exist is stupid... obviously it is in the works otherwise they wouldnt have mentioned t at E3. Just likt KZ2 its in development at the moment.

chances are as time goes on well see little snippits of it until release, then we can judge weather MS lied or not.

Though right now, theyve done nothing worse than sony did with KZ2...

And look how that turned out, brilliant, which is how I expect this new technology to turn out.

[MriownBOTH]

cant wait to use natal when im drunk to flip through my netflix and on demand movies and shows with out even using a controller thatching netflix with friends over live.......its going to be great......you ps3 fanboys take 360 news way to seriously...grow up

[Parapraxis]

360 news?
I was reading the tech section when I saw this.

[i3eyond the Circle]

2 cups of jealousy, 1 cup of sore loss, and a dash of Hope and Belief to Sony boys in an article gets you 1 serving of Cell Powered Denial.

Next up on the show Droid Drummetes!

[dogmeat eater]

Why would someone want a virtual friend? I wonder If MS is going to come out with virtual dik sucking lips? Then milo can give you head!!!! Oh well, this has nothing to do with gaming. Its just useless.

[N2NOther]

I think you're missing the point. Milo is just a concept being developed. The application he's used in isn't even being discussed at this point. I doubt HIGHLY that Milo is intended to be a "virtual friend".

[GiantEnemyCrab]

You are going to get a lot of disagrees but that right there is %100 FACT!

Notice how many times Sony is mentioned in these rants.

You nailed it my friend.

[Ldubbz]

This is yet another lame attempt to discredit upcoming technology...how sad. Just deal with the truth folks. We know many journos already said it works.

The obvious jealousy over MS tech is quite funny. I guess MS just likes to show things that they have no plan on releasing. And hey, lets get Steven Spielberg in on it while were at it.

This is really looking pathetic. Report crap like this.

[dogmeat eater]

Dont say its name ever again.

[N2NOther]

You're an idiot if you think Spielberg is responsible for anything that went wrong with that movie. That was 100% George Lucass.

[Ravage27]

when Natal is launched,we shall see if M$ fulfilled their promises. If they fail,we shall see if the media is truly unbiased.
Had Killzone2 failed to live up to the infamous E3'05 trailer,the media would have hanged GG by their balls (thank god they exceeded expectations). There's nothing wrong with that. The bigger your promises,the harsher the criticism when it doesn't deliver,it's a tradeoff.
M$ have really put themselves in a hard spot right now after that ambitious tech demo, much like that Forza guy after thrash talking GT.
This is going to be my last comment regarding Natal or any other MC devices. Don't see a point in discussing unfinished tech now,i will instead reserve judgement till they launches

[Godmars290]

Don't think people are questioning natal, just the ability of devs to develop games for it. Games that will make this new camera worth buying.

One of which is Milo, which isn't all that it was presented as being.

[Stryfeno2]

LOL...I didn't think Droids cared so much.

[hatchimatchi]

this doesn't surprised me one bit. The whole presentation looked extremely shoddy and rigged.

[LevDog]

I find it hilarious.. My co worker proclaimed MS just changed gaming forever, MS has done what no one else has done.. Blah blah blah.. I tell him to read this article.. BAM he goes in defense mode saying the press were paid off and told to say that.. HAHAHAHA he keeps texting me, saying the press was too impressed with it they couldnt believe their eyes..

Its a funny thing when people get tricked, called out on being fake.. Proved it was fake and then having it thrown in their face..

People get real defensive.. Reeeeeeeeeal fast

EDIT: I got to admit My co worker is pretty funny.. He just sent me a text saying.. NASA is going to be jealous of the tech and that they will call MS to have them put it in the Shuttle

I think that one was a lil sarcastic, but If I go to work and his serious.. WOW hahahaha

[i3eyond the Circle]

People also tend to get offensive real faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast.....by listening to Gamer Blorge.

[Ninjamonkey]

same thing said by a friend of mine.

Looking forward to seeing him next XD

[mastiffchild]

Dudes and co-can we just drop it? Fair enough, there were credibilty holes in the presentation which means it might not have been running as we were led to believe, right?

So what? If it fails to appear, fails to work as stated when we get our mits on it-or before-then we can call the app rubbish. If it works just as Pete said it will then we can praise it. Right now all we have is split opinion after a less than perfect showcase of ambitious tech. Personally I can't yet see what they think Milo will be really used for but that's not my job and the rest of Natal isn't anywhere near as impressive as it's little that's new.

I don't see how someone can bash this yet or praise it-the proof just isn't there and in the long rin I doubt it'll be something that most people here will want to use much anyway. I don't know if it really works and, I'll bet, neither does anyone else on here. Jealousy and pride in Milo would both be very premature in my book. Jeeeesus!

[ak1200]

I seen these promo vids an thought ENDGAME an no tom clancy to save the day .. time running out for xbox which is no bad thing as they will release a new console however all those hoping to enjoy the cell powered ps3 games need a ps3 end of

[ak1200]

Also a tv show here in the uk watchdog reported on how sudden movements in the area of were your 360 is located will result in your game discs being scratched and destroyed so you cant play natal lol

[Dick0]

My good friend michael jackson will really like this game

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

If this was Sony...the press would be "offended" and write articles about over-promising and under-delivering.

[Dick0]

iff it was on the ps3 fanboys will probaly try to molest poor milo

[Obama]

Your name suggests that the first thing you are going to do is to pull out ur willy.

[Planet]

Microsoft must be desperate, sorry Xbox 360 owners...Ill stick with my Wii and my PS3. Xbox 360? No, thanks

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Your loss..

[Planet]

Why do you write books about it? I feel ashamed for some Fanboys on this site (Ps3/xbox 360). Ill stick with my Ps3 and Wii.

[freeblue]

How much did MS throw into developing Vista? Billions?? and they can't even get the speech recognition right to type of an paragraph. And you think a few millions throwing at a game developer, will be able to create a faux AI that "might" interact with you?

[7h3ultim8p00]

Seriously Sony fanboys get over it. First off, Natal, the hands-free controller technology, works, and it IS real. It has been confirmed by every site that has had a hands on. What people are actually questioning is the Milo AI demo which seems way too advanced to be so easily available to the general public. The AI demo uses tricks to fool you into thinking that it is real and it's responding to you. That's the whole point; even Peter Molyneux said it himself.

In an interview when they asked him how such an advanced piece of tech was able to reach the general consumer, Molyneux said that the technology was actually not that advanced, and that it was how they applied their software and used clever tricks to make the AI seem so advanced. He then gave the example of scanning the drawing on the paper and he said that the AI never sees your drawing, but because of the context of the conversation you are having with the AI, and your tone of voice, the AI can accurately guess how to react to the paper you gave him without actually seeing what you drew. In other words: YES IT IS SMOKE AND MIRRORS AND IT WAS MEANT TO BE. It's like a magic trick, it is supposed to make you think you are seeing something incredible. That's the point. You think if this thing was actually real the U.S. Military wouldn't be all over it? Use your f*cking heads morons.

Man, stupid retarded Sony fanboys; you think you are digging dirt but you are only stating the obvious.

[Ripyealip]

ME: hi milo suck my D ! c

Milo:but but sir its.

ME: MILO NOW!

Milo:yes sir :(

[jdktech2010]

How many of these are you gonna come up with?

I just don't understand what you don't understand about the fact it was just showing off the tech and what it's capable of. Of course it was coded in like that, that's how you create a game or anything on a computer or console for that matter.

It seems like all the Sony people would have something better to do than post the same thing 200 times in a week......then again maybe not

[rawd]

I can't even laugh at this. It's just plain sad. Utterly sad

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

seen Sony show, and that is with "Milo" aside. You need controllers for both PS3 and Wii's motion sensing, you don't for Natal/360. I can see "Milo" being on the next box if anything.

If people are hell bent on "smoke and mirrors" tactics at E3 for Microsoft, they must've ignored plenty of the smoke ALSO blown up our asses by the competitors!

[Veneno]

I bet you Micro- cheerleaders thought the people in the Natal video montage were playing real games,too. Guess what? Those people were dancing around like morons on a blank T.V.!! The image you saw was composited on the screen in post production. But that's probably what the final producr will feel like anyway!

Oh, but I forgot! E3 isn't about LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS, it's about watching fake videoes of games that don't exist, right?

[jdktech2010]

How could I have missed that? I thought they were doing that for fun and were on hidden video camera. You mean it was a commercial where they were paid?

Seriously man, that's just a pathetic excuse for a post

Oh and FYI, they did have a live demonstration of Natal but thanks for playing

[patterson]

I can't believe all the articles and hype over this.

Newsflash: If you want this type of gaming experience, buy a Wii or a Playstation Eye. It's technology that's working here and now.

C'mon gimme a break with this nonsense.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

Smoke and mirrors.Peter Molyneuxs favorite after bait and switch.

[bjornbear]

If you totally get amazed and stupidfied by the amazing technological miracles called Natal and Milo, everything loves you.

If you question it, your a jealous sony fanboy? How biased is the freaking world anyway?

Well yano what? I too find out to be utter bs, and until i see it 100% working, and not some "perfect" video they showed, I'm sorry but i ain't swallowing. I'm open to new things, but MS are infamous for insincerity so this doesn't work for them.

And no i'm not "jealous" i effing hate motion controls and motion caption devices. I'm happy the classic controler / mouse and keyboard. Find a better reason to why people are questioning a doubtful display of technology other than a basic word like "jealousy". Maybe skepticism? Curiossity? Not-being-a-gulliable-microsof t-fanboy? Take your pick.

I'm not surprised at this news at all.

[xabmol]

"The technology itself is not all that impressive when you consider the fact both the Xbox Live Vision Cam and the PS3 EyeToy is capable of motion, depth and sound recognition through the built in microphone."

Catching on?

[Boldy]

The Xbox Live vision camera doesn't have a microphone in it though.

[xabmol]

No wonder voice recognition is such a big deal for Natal. LOL

[tudors]

isn't the tone part of the voice and unique, am I missing somthing here?

[OGharryjoysticks]

But not one is really blasting it or even calling it out.

I wonder if fear has anything to do with it.

Do you think journalists fear the power Microsoft has over the internet web sites through advertising, support, and parterships?

Had this been Sony or Nintendo writers would be having a Field Day.

[Blitzed]

Like I wrote below, its definitely weird the way Ms is getting a free pass by the media.

If this was a target render, than why wasn't it called that, and why isn't the media asking the same questions that burend up the when the KZ2 render was shown in 05?

[Bobbie001]

Oh what did you say? M$ is trying hardware again? LOL, something will get broken

[Bobbie001]

From the start, the 360 was all smoke and mirrors

[MADPIRAHNA]

Didnt the press and the rest of the world go absolutely insanely mad at Sony for getting busted on a target render actually being CGI instead of gameplay in '05 I think.

[joevfx]

yeah and what happened? they prooved to everyone they could do it in 2008, lets see microsoft pull off this milo thing.

[alwayzbusi1]

I'm a PS fan and don't even own an Xbox but, Isn't that what AI is about? What exactly are they exposing? It's called ARTIFICIAL Intelligence, as in FAKE. The point is to make you FEEL like you're talking to a person, it's not like you're actually talking to a living being. Now if they are exposing that the tech is no where near as advanced as they say it is then that's a different story.

[-MD-]

People are trying their hardest to make Milo seem like it won't work. Stop trying guys nobody cares what you think this is the only site on the internet saying it's a fake.

[moparful99]

This has nothing to do with trying to prove milo was fake... THis is about how ms showed a video on stage making claims and not backing them up... Then to make matters worse they only let select reportes demo milo because they knew that demoing a small test group wouldnt damage their claims as much as demoing it on the floor... But the main reason why so many people are so feverent about picking this tech apart is because ms and people such as yourself, mart, why dis and many others on this site are hailing natal as the second coming of christ and is going to completely revolutionize gaming... Nobody on the face of this planet can predict where tech will take us... Especially a tech demo for a gaming component.. Im am in no way trying to discredit ms or natal but the way 360 fans are throwing natal in everyones faces every chance they get is really getting stupid... You cant be mature enought to say "hey cool we have a new tech that has real potential"... Youd much rather throw mud and trash talk the competition based on something that is still a looong way from being completed... Yes I already know that your feeble mind has already made itself up and nothing I or any credible source says about your precious natal is true...To conclude all am gonna say is that I applaud ms for trying something new, but more often then not they over hype, under deliver...

[joevfx]

honestly if u actually thought that this would work like in the Milo video then you deserved to be played by microsoft.

come on people microsoft is all smoke and mirrors. they have been pretendign to be a creative company for years but all they care about is your money adn will do anything to get it.

Im not sayign that all corporations arent about money cause they all are, but atelast the others ones get your money with creativity and class.

[el zorro]

Well, you're a typical anti-Microsoft douche bag. Microsoft has done a lot of innovating in the console space and if you aren't honest enough to acknowledge it then you aren't even worth listening to. Sony and Nintendo are still trying to catch up in many areas.

Microsoft is doing well in many areas because they provide the products and services many of us want at good prices.

Look, I understand if you love Sony and think your PS3 is the best console ever created, but don't insult our intelligence with your nonsense about Microsoft. I bought a 360 and a PS3, and I knew exactly what I was getting with each one. Nobody twisted my arm. I liked what the 360 offered and so I bought one and I have been very satisfied with the games and services it provides.

[Blitzed]

That people like Spike's VP of Content say things like "All I’m going to say about Milo is that its not legit".

'All I'm going to say'?! Why is it 'all' he is going to say? Why are people scared to call out MS for being deceptive in thier presentation?

When Sony showed the KZ2 target render in 05, it was jumped all over by the gaming media, and it continued well after the release of KZ2 three years later. They wanted to lynch Sony for lying (when they never even claimed it was in game) yet MS gets a free pass with a wink and a whisper by some in the gaming media. 'It wasnt real but I don't want to be the one to say anyomore than that.'

If it was Sony, the media and the legions of MS fanboys would be calling for Sony to be banned from future E3's. The bias is really getting ridiculous. It can only be an America vs Japan thing, because I just can't see any other reason for it.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"If it was Sony, the media and the legions of MS fanboys would be calling for Sony to be banned from future E3's. "

Is that really what you believe? LOL!

How do you get 9 bubbles speaking idiocy like this all the time?

[Blitzed]

I speak like this all the time GEC?

Obviously (well not to you I guess) I was being fecisious with the 'banned' comment. I was making a point.

You are on here asking "Did you really think Milo was real?"

Did you think the target render of KZ2 was real when devs didn't even have the kits, and the launch of the PS3 was well over a year away?

Sony was persecuted for 3 years for the KZ2 target render. If Milo was pupeterring or anything to that effect, it was deceptive. Are you denying that, or have you gone back to waering your fanboy hat?

Don't make me go back to your early fanboy comments to find you bashing Sony for the KZ2 render. A simple peruse of your early comments on this site would show that you of all people shouldn't be questioning the intelligence of someones comment.

And for the record, I thought Ms's E3 presentation was great. I love anything that pushes gaming tech forward. I was making as point about hipocrites on this site giving MS a free pass, just like I have called out Sony fans for doing the same in the past.

[Blitzed]

A couple of relevant comments from GEC's past:

'oh that is right, more marketing fluff to be eatin with a side of fishheads for the droids'

'The Sony army needs to be stopped from spreading their lies and exaggerations'

'I don't want to talk to someone who calls a person an idiot when they don't agree with their opinion anyway'

'The uproar
came because the E05 trailer was said to be in-game when it wasn't. Nothing more and nothing less.'

Hypocrisy must be a symptom of fanboyism.

[el zorro]

The thing is, I just did a quick read through of comments made by both of you and Giant Enemy Crab seems a lot more fair and impartial than you do. Yet you are the one with 9 bubbles and he has six. That goes to show you how heavy the PS3 fanboy bias is on this site. You can basically be a raging Ps3 fanboy troll and still have 8 or 9 bubbles.

In this particular case too, you're position is the typical Sony fanboy paranoia that the media is biased against Sony and blah, blah, blah...

Seriously if you can't see what is wrong with that kind of claim I don't know what to tell you, except that I am amazed anybody could think that way with the amount of anti-Microsoft hate and bias that has existed and continues to exist to this day. My point is, there is bias on all sides, but there is no grand conspiracy to bring Sony down as many of you think. Most journalists do a good job at being fairly impartial, but of course you do have a few that are biased for or against any of the particular game companies.

[Blitzed]

If you take a look at GEC's early comments as a member of this site(as I wrote) you will see how the claim that his comments are impartial is ridiculous.

I may be on MS fanboys more often since I am more often than not in PS3 news, however I have never hated the 360, I have owned one before and plan too again.

I have voiced irritation at the hardware failure rate but other than that I think the 360 is a fantastic gaming console. I have defended MS multiple times. I have said before and say again, competition only benefits me as a gamer.

Before you decide to jump in and defend someone you should look further back than their last ten comments. GEC incessantly bashed the PS3, admittedly trolling PS3 news for months. It was only after he actually used one that he was suddenly impartial. Yet he has the hypocrisy to insult my post history.

On topic: If you truly believe that the 360 receives more bias in the media than the PS3 we will just have to disagree. I am not saying there isn't any bias gainst the 360, I am just making the point that I feel the media has been forgiving (if in fact there was puppetry of some kind with Milo) in comparison to the three years of talking about the KZ2 render in 05. I wasn't trying to attack or offend anybody.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I can't keep track of all the replies to my comments so I'm late to reply.

"Did you think the target render of KZ2 was real when devs didn't even have the kits, and the launch of the PS3 was well over a year away?"

At the time KZ2 was shown at E3 I didn't care one way or another. All I know is Sony showed it and then said it's in-game footage. When it fact it was a CGI target render. This is not the same thing.

What Milo showed was real, it was running and it was limited. Never once did Peter or MS come out and say this is a real person inside of a computer. They were very clear that this was a tech demo and even showed a disclaimer at the beginning of the footage saying it's the vision of the product. It's not MS or Lionheads fault people made up their own assumptions of what was happening.

"Sony was persecuted for 3 years for the KZ2 target render. If Milo was pupeterring or anything to that effect, it was deceptive. Are you denying that, or have you gone back to waering your fanboy hat?"

Wow, look at the drama you use to describe the doubts KZ2 received. You seem to connect whatever you read in the media as if it's coming out of a 360 fanboys mouth. I am not about to explain the reasons to you why sites use catchy/inflammatory headlines and have done so for years. Like I said above MS never implied this was anything beyond a tech demo. They made no announcements connected to it and just simply showed off the tech. I think your fanboy hat is on a bit too tight.

"Don't make me go back to your early fanboy comments to find you bashing Sony for the KZ2 render. A simple peruse of your early comments on this site would show that you of all people shouldn't be questioning the intelligence of someones comment."

I've been on this site for years. I'm sure if you go back you can find fanboy comments and even some hypocrisy and I'm sure I will find the same for you.. More on that in a minute. But let me say at the time I was at my fanboy peak I was at 3 bubbles and while you aren't extreme I think 5 bubbles is more appropriate. That is as fair as you're going to get from me.

"And for the record, I thought Ms's E3 presentation was great. I love anything that pushes gaming tech forward. I was making as point about hipocrites on this site giving MS a free pass, just like I have called out Sony fans for doing the same in the past."

Nice sentiments tainted by your fanboy goggles. Funny you say "MS getting a free pass" right in an article that doesn't seem to be giving MS a free pass at all and just look at the many vile comments. I don't see any problem with questioning the tech but when you cry about KZ being prosecuted and everyone jumping up and down about how great Natal/Milo is and getting a free pass is idiotic and 9 bubbles too many.

""If it was Sony, the media and the legions of MS fanboys would be calling for Sony to be banned from future E3's. "

Really? MS fanboys would be calling for Sony to be banned from future E3's? Do you have a quote on that or is that just in your mind. Or maybe something that should of been pointed out as sarcasm.

So you go back a year and a half in my comments to pull out of context some comments. Nice one. You have a history of calling and blaming 360 fanboys all in the name of "hating fanboys" when your comment history shows you hate 360 fanboys and like to give PS3 fanboys a free pass as you like to say. (cough) hypocrisy (cough)

Your comments are always laced with drama about the world is unfair to Sony and MS are treated as saints/given a free pass. If that was the case I wouldn't of had to create this account originally as a defense account for the 360 FUD. I can already hear the excuse "it's all sarcasm" you seem like the type to grasp for that one.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

Their losers.and come on,its Peter.if its fraudulent or misleading the public,he takes centre stage for msft.what he promised Fable 2 to be,was a game the xbox 720 will have.he's to ambitious,or maybe full of sh1t.wouldnt surprize me,if the whole thing was his idea.

[jdktech2010]

It amazes me everyone that's dogging Natal actually believed that it was a complete project. If you react this way and act like you're shocked and start bashing it uncontrollably, then that tells me you thought it was complete

It's still codenamed for crying out loud. They were introducing the tech and showing what could be possible with it. They didn't say it was coming out this year or what games it will be for, etc.

You're all jumping the boat a little bit. It's not like they're actually selling this on the market and fooling us. They were showing a tech demo of what it's capable of. How can you not understand that? It's obvious trying to have an intelligent discussion with some of the people on this website is like trying to have an intelligent discussion with North Korea so I may stop but just think things through before you post some of the drivel I've seen on this site

Anyway, I hope that one day this site becomes like it used to be and not a bunch of fanboys trying to show off for their own disillusioned grandeur.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Mike Ferro = Sony Fanboy! Period.

If you thought this was sentient AI you are an idiot.

What Milo showed was the illusion of AI. Nobody claimed any more than that. If you got fooled into thinking it was something greater that was the idea.

I can't wait to see how MS applies this tech to future games. MS made no promises when this tech will start being used practically and that's what has me worried. I want this now!

[ikral]

Milo is made for casual gamers who dont know much of technical limitations of hardware. And they are impressed. I am too impressed with idea, but it is so obvious this technology cannot exist on this gen.The point is that M$ is not honest with us, and Moulynex too. He is their man now after all. Huge loss of credibility if you ask me.

[n4gno]

You are right, and delusional ms fans/employees don't want too accept the facts.

if you try to downplay their dream of the eye toy clone for casuals, they are mad, because they have nothing else in game department to compete with sony line up (even if they have some good games too).

[ad4mb]

basic version of milo below

http://www.stewielive.com/

[ak1200]

The promo vids are not in realtime,the characters movement is replicated on screen before the live person moves meaning bad acting lol! Its very early days but cant see this doing well, guesses are it will be more exspensive than a factory furbished 360 console 70 pounds

[LiquifiedArt]

and not the Technology "Natal" is idiotic. Milo was a smoke and mirrors demo. The only thing they did was create the Camera/Mic addon aka "Natal".

Lets just stop and disregard the A.I. nonsense. It is just a scripted program. If by chance we had real A.I. why the heck would it be in an XBOX360!! HAHAHAAH. Come on people. geez. So gullable.

[ak1200]

Post anti Natel will fail you need buttons ,without buttons its useless as megaton fat ppl have no normal features the camera will be fooled into thinks an action was pressed but was just after roll of flab .... EPIC FAIL

[Shnazzyone]

It seemed to me I watch alot of discovery channel docs on robotics and one of the things they only just figuring out now is face and voice recognition. And for them to accomplish that requires insane amounts of processing power. What they showed there was making all that seem too easy so i instantly said... no way when i watched it. I knew it looked so frigging staged. I was right... only as real as that intro video they showed... which reduces the working applications for natal to 1.5 (that paint thing was so delayed)

[el zorro]

You watch a lot of stuff on the discovery channel and that makes you an expert? Ha!

Milo isn't supposed to be sentient AI, but it is a kind of AI. The same way that we call the computer controlled character's in games 'AI'. It doesn't mean it is sentient or even particularly intelligent or adaptive, but it does do a very good job of creating the illusion you are talking to a real person if you are willing to play the right role as well. That is what all games are about. This is just an extension of that into some pretty new areas.

[Shnazzyone]

no.. but I never said anything about AI... i'm talking about vocal and emotional decyphering. Computers that use cameras to interpret mood and meaning are no where near ready with actual scientists studying the subject for years. So I am supposed to believe peter molyneux pulled that stuff off with a 360 with 2 cameras and a microphone??? Sorry... i don't think so.

[click 2 get virus]

Peter Molyneux = lies
everybody should know this

[xg-ei8ht]

I'm not a puppet, i'm a real boyyyyyyyyyyyy

[ak1200]

Xbox gets facebook and twitter , whoope do!! yawn
ps3 internet browser from launch full acess to all social netwoking sites in the world.
Xbox gtes Natel
Ps3 eyetoy uses voice and face regognition tech with correct software updates could perform like Natel
Xbox gets last.live fm haha that is just sad, again full browser so all radio stations in the world.
Xbox has netflix
Ps3 fully compatible divx and h264 player ,play media from external or upgraded internal harddrives.
Stream blu-ray rips and all music and live tv video and football streams direct to ps3

[ak1200]

Oh yea an the crap about sky! This feature all well & good if your 1 of the fools to give them money each month for the content they provide. Afet youve paid to view the simpsons on your tv in living room then you must pay again to view on your xbox but wait you can watch it with your avatars ,, no way

[demonrock]

Its funny to think that 360 fans were bashing Ps3 fans for saying what they said and it turns out that the ps3 fans were actually right. Come on,its Microsoft. If people are still stupid enough to believe any of the crap they give us, than you truly are dumb. Natal is nothing more than the PsEye like everyone has been saying. It seems like no creative minds exist over at Microsoft, because what they needed was something mind blowing, not the same ideas from other people that have been tried before. But at least they tried again, better luck next time.

[supersonicsaga]

More waggle for everyone, except with Natal you have to wave?

[n4gno]

it's the same kind of people who vote for bush twice...media partners (fox = edge, kotaku etc) and lies are working again and again with sheep crowd who believe anything they see on television, read on internet, etc...that kind of donkeys allways choose a bad and a good side, and never change their mind, no matter what proofs you could give them.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"ts funny to think that 360 fans were bashing Ps3 fans for saying what they said and it turns out that the ps3 fans were actually right."

Ah, yes Gamerblorge settles it since they weren't even at E3. Why listen to IGN, Wired, GameDaily, etc who all said the tech was amazing and actually had hands on? Maybe they actually understood what was being demoed and weren't wearing fanboy goggles thinking MS has just invented a person inside of a computer.

FFS how many times does that need to be said before it sinks into some of the thick heads here?

[Sensoupie]

Even Stevie Wonder could see your Sony sh4ft riding fanboyism from a mile away. Jeez dude, stop going to bed @ night holding your ps3 tight between your arms, and wishing that Microsoft disappears from the planet. N E wayzz, Milo is probably going to be like a souped up Seaman from the Dreamcast. C'mon guys, you really thought MS discovered interactive AI and implemented it on a home console? Don't be so gullible. Natal, on the other hand, is real, it will happen, and it's gonna dance around the Wii and PS3 motion controllers when it releases.

P.S. at the Sony fanbois. Stop coming in here and spreading bitter hate towards Milo, Cuz' aside from the fact that the demo was a set-up at E3, it succeeded in making the media talk in craziness and placing MS as the most interesting show in the floor. Sony won E3 in the exclusive games department, but MS held them by the b411s with media add-ons for the 360.

[deltastorm]

lol kudos to the dude who wrote "360 fanboys assume they will get a Skynet for 100$" lol it was just funny to me since it made sense

[scruffy_bear]

Sony should just release this now can't believe it's be over two years since it was last seen

[Godmars290]

A launch "title" that no one from Sony has said word one of since, its as doubtful as the first three Cellius games. Though it needs to be said that we (JP PS3)will be the first to get a talking "icon" in the form of the EVA character.

[lephunk]

isn't that similar to Milo?

[PirateThom]

EyePet is due out before the end of the year.

[be_wrong]

xbots on defense!

[Traveler]

...?

[I-SEE-YOU]

It capture's the media, not imagination or a technological advancement.

This will go no further then the backroom storage room in all game outlets, once released.

This so called 'New Tech', has been around since Sony release the PSEYE. Now why does everyone pay attention now? Well because its advertised well.

[PirateThom]

I still don't get why anyone who dares question Natal or Milo is a jealous fanboy.

Seriously, you're not allowed to discuss the pros and cons, you either give pros only or your a jealous fanboy? Try discussing Natal as a device rather than just dismissing it/blindly lapping it up.

Especially since this is about the Milo software and how Microsoft presented it, and not Natal hardware.

I'm yet to see anyone (with an ounce of sense) say the Natal hardware isn't sound and with over a year (probably) to go before it's in consumer's hands, there's still improvements to be made, but there's also people here who just won't accept the gaming application of Natal may end up being very limited and, like a lot of other non-manditory accessories, may end up becoming unused due to small install base or devs not wanting to take that risk or just because it turns out it sucks.

[I-SEE-YOU]

Instead of making out that everyone who dares question this product, is a so called 'Fanboy'. How about you think that those who question this product may already know its disadvantages and that maybe, just maybe. We strive for better!

Microsoft likes to keep everyone behind times and in their little money circle.

I know, like yourself. That this product is 'Sony's' product wrapped up in a new box.

[el zorro]

It's fine for people to have questions and want to discuss things, but it is more than obvious that the majority of people doing so are motivated by nothing more than their PS3 fanboyism. When you see these same people act the same way over and over again about various 360 related topics it becomes obvious what's behind it all.

I mean if a person can claim that Natal is "Sony's' product wrapped up in a new box" when everybody can clearly see that it isn't the same thing, it's pretty easy to see what is motivating them. How can you take such a person seriously? Why are you going to believe that they really are being sincere this time, despite their track record?

[labwarrior]

Will we ever get a serious article with actual proof of what they suggest ?

I guess not

It is getting funny how scared people are by this technology

There were 5 hands on with Milo and all said it works, of course some was scripted, but the rest like partial voice recognition, player awareness, motion input etc are all 100% real

This was never advertized as a true AI, this is not skynet, just a clever scripting with input from Natal to make NPCs that feel real and THAT works 100% and will be hugly improved upon until its realease of course

[labwarrior]

what they did with Milo is not even that hard to achieve actually, it is just very clever scripting, that changes with input from Natal

Theoretically it is 100% possible and easy to do, as long as you have Natal working

It is the idea that is above anything we have seen, the execution would not be that hard, i mean create some water ripples is hard now ? I can do it in XNA in a single morning, and if i have Natal input i could easilly take the hand motion input and make them move real time accordingly

The big news with Milo is not the technology or the software, it is the idea behind it and the use of Natal in this clever new way.

Of course would have been impossible without the proper Natal input and clever recognition systems, but we already know that Natal works, so given Natal works, making Milo work would not be as hard as people may think

[SRT4Chris401]

Ah yes, the truth comes out.

[Neo604]

well no surprise. MS should be call bunch of thief.

[bunfighterii]

who cares anyway. even if it were 100% real, it would be a sh!t game.

All this motion control stunting leads to 'casual' games that lack depth. Milo would be the most BORING gaming experience ever. Who the hell would want to 'interact' with a virtual pre-teen boy? A boy hawking paedophile thats who.

Natal's potential? You'll pay $200 so you can play Wii-esque casual games that you'll get bored of in 10 minutes.

[REALgamer]

was purely on the software side?

From the article, there wasn't real voice recognition and the AI wasn't completely there yet. That stuff is just handled in code.

Which means Natal was working perfectly.

It's just that Milo wasn't finished yet. Not surprising considering how quickly it was developed to be ready for E3.

[ShadowCK]

"He stated that the select few to demo Milo live behind closed doors were instructed by Microsoft to follow exactly what was shown in the video."

How does he know that? Funny how he doesn't actually EXPLAIN how he has gained that knowledge. Tbh, The whole article is very fishy and very hypocritical. I don't like it.

Looking at a link such as this:

http://kotaku.com/5275204/t...

"I left impressed with the ambition on display but also certain that what we were shown was loosely stitched. Much tightening and tuning will be needed to make Milo feel like more than a collection of tech experiments — to feel alive. It's exciting that that's Molyneux's goal."

Makes me think otherwise.

[Sensoupie]

the install base will probably be small, and after release the Natal might need updates, but I see the Natal as an optional device: Something you don't need to turn on the 360 lol. I'll just stick to the old-fashioned controller in my hand. If I wanted to move around like a Wiitard, I would've kept that HD-less console.

[KingKionic]

LOL

wow guys just wow.

[Claudinho69]

xbox lost E308 and E309

[360_Rules]

And the Sony dildo gets the.....

[KingKionic]

Many people have tried it out and it worked.

What we need here is a live demo to watch.

[stonecold3]

unless its coming for the xbox 720 as a launch title which will be here next year at e3 2010 as far as ive been reading about eyeidentify it should had been out on ps3 by now and nothing has been heard or since and i heard the game got canned but ive done some research and it suppose to be coming out at the end of 2009 and ign. com as a release on its calender with eye pet but eyedientfy just does not no which mnth or date but it still coming even wilkpedia said on page was at end of 08 but now and of 09 thats why i got my ps3 for

[34543534798]

F*CK Milo, and peter sh*thead and microCUNT

this is bullsh*t

if this was nintendo or sony this would be all over the internet

[SaberEdge]

Did you even read the article. The blogger didn't even have anything to substantiate his claims. Bare assertions and stupid assumptions is all we got with this article.

No, Milo isn't a sentient AI and there is no basis to call it smoke and mirrors just because it doesn't live up to your fantastical expectations. Milo does exactly what it was designed to do, which is to create the illusion of being able to hold a real conversation with a computer character. Of course it is all about slight of hand and making you believe something that isn't. The same way that movies are, for example.

Milo was shown to the press and it works. If you want to know how it accomplishes what it does, go read one of the many interviews with Molyneux in which he explains it.

[ico92]

why is everyone suprised this is microsoft they are well known for tricking people. And to any M$ fanboy saying that it can still be done well you're just hypocrites i remember when they showed that killzone 2 gameplay trailer all you fanboys were calling it impossible well you must feel like real morons now.

[Pistolero]

no, because Killzone 2 still doesn't look as good as that cg trailer. only ps3 fns think that.

[Wallace316]

The point of the demo's was not to convince anyone that either console is currently able to take us into the next realm of gaming, but simply that they are planning to do so and that we can expect to see lots of wireless motion(either with your body or with another handheld) controlled gaming. WIP means Work in progress people. Not this is exactly what you are gonna get when this comes out 1-2 years from now. Get a grip.

[bjornbear]

Uncanny Valley anyone?...now Uncanny Pedo Valley =S....

[jammiedodger08]

BAM!
Best moment of E3.

[monkfish]

WHO EVER THOUGHT MILO WAS REAL SENTIENT ARTIFICIAL INTELIGENCE.....STUPID PEOPLE
did nobody see the interview with peter were he was laughing about the journalists who thought they had actually cracked AI....he states that it was carefully worded replies to give the impression of actual ai....it was done to demo how you could create more in depth charectors in games to give the game more emotion and not as the start of skynet.

i cant believe anyone would be dumb enough to think this would just be reserved for e3 if it were really possible to creat actual decent AI comparable to human intelligence now.

[borisfett]

*yawn* Yet another poorly researched, flame-baiting news story clogging up the internet.

First all, there was no-one behind the scenes controlling Milo. Nobody has yet provided any proof that there was, and Peter has already explained that the person at the back of the room was there to restart the software should it crash. This is quite common at displays at E3.

The Eye Toy is *not* capable of depth perception, and that article proclaims. The Eye Toy judges movement by reading light sources, and watching for movement and changes in those light sources. The Natal is a simplified version of the kind of camera used for motion capturing, which is why it can accurately emulate people's physical body movements.

[ll_UNDERSCORE_ll]

SOMNUS NEMORIS

[Rowsdower]

Ever been to a car show, car companies always show prototypes of vehicles that dont really work to give you an idea of their vision of the future, so the whole Project Natal thing does not strike me as a big deal. They are called mock ups. Now if you somehow got the impression that this tech was ready to go then I'm gonna have to call you naive, to get upset over it is childish. E3 is for announcements and and revealing that companies plans for the future, part of that plan is luring in new customers. If Sony and MS are both trying to attract people who already are or may be interested in motion control games then they did their jobs. Sony's motion control visually is very similar to the Wii's, while MS had motion controls which seemed to push the idea of traditional controls free gaming forward.

I feel for Sony this generation, the least powerful console is in first when it comes to sales, and the most powerful console is in last. I'm sure at their planning meeting for the PS3 they did not forsee that. The motivations that attract people to gaming has become varied and nuanced this generation, it s very interesting to observe.

[CypH]

I knew this was fake every thread I made about the E3 video it got close

[artsaber]

I think Microsoft should work on perfecting Natal and making it a major implementation into their next console (XBox 720?) Imagine if each 720 came prepackaged with a standard controller and Natal option built in or in the box. I think the result would be huge for them and would give them boasting points.

It would also encourage developers to support the product thorougly and make it less than a gimmick, and give Natal a full application support that it needs.

Now I like the PS3 as my primary gaming and movie device (can't beat Bluray's quality on a big screen) and I love the exclusive titles on the PS3 right now.

But I wish Microsoft and Sony would stop bickering, join forces, and make the gaming world complete with reliable hardware, innovation, and focusing on advancing gaming into the level of wow-ish-ness that it needs to be at right now. Hell, if this were so, we would already be gaming on a console that had Minority Report type features. Blend the PS Eye/Eyetoy, Natal, Motion-tilt, with 3-D environment, face, and light source recognition, along with the Star Wars projection type video hologram-tech... and that's exactly what this sounds like.

Innovations from 2 major companies, with major investors plus mass distribution guaranteed could help drive the cost of this type product down to where it is affordable to us all.

Oh, wait... someone just woke me up from this dream.

[breathofthedying]

I'm a big fan of Fable 1 and 2, but is it just me or does Molyneux come off as the most pompous person in the gaming industry? He'd have to be up with their with Dyack.

It's one thing to be proud, another thing to be arrogant and deceiving.